[faawrenchbndr]

Originally Posted by rsilvers

I would say the Glock 17 is the best combat pistol ever designed.

The Hi Power holds that honor as far as 9mm is concerned.
The 1911 is, hands down, the nest combat pistol ever created to date!

[Ruggles]

Having owned both the P7 and the BHP I would have to vote BHP over the P7. I think the P7 is in the top 10 handguns. I would not even try to list my top 10 in order, too close IMO. Just mix the list below in just about any order and I am good to go, but not gonna move number 1

1911
BHP
S&W K Frame Revolver
Bisley SAA Revolver
Beretta 92/96
Ruger Mk series .22LR
HK P7
Various S&W 3rd Gen Autos
Select Colt DA Revolvers
Walther DA Semi Autos

I guess I am not much of a striker fired gun kinda of guy

[faawrenchbndr]

Heck of a list,.......can not disagree with that!

[Morgo]

Originally Posted by rsilvers

The 1911 - it would seem - is popular because you can tinker with it. Otherwise, a 1911 cannot remotely compare to a Glock 17 on the basis of weight, interchangable parts, reliability, capacity, ease of operation, etc.

Tinker is not really much of a reason, you can tinker with a glock as well.

How about 1911 - Much more accurate, far better trigger, nicer to shoot due to the heavier weight and makes a far better club when empty than a Glock

[Ruggles]

Originally Posted by Morgo

Tinker is not really much of a reason, you can tinker with a glock as well.

How about 1911 - Much more accurate, far better trigger, nicer to shoot due to the heavier weight and makes a far better club when empty than a Glock

When the Glock is 100 years old and still in widespread use and production worldwide then we can talk about it besting the 1911.

[ak103k]

But the P7 is the safest pistol - and pretty much the only one you can accidentally leave in a bathroom and a small child would not be able to fire it.

Dont bet the farm on that. My kids had no troubles getting my mine cocked at a pretty young age. They also didnt seem to have any troubles getting a "round" (snap cap) chambered in a 1911 or high power at the same age either. All you have to do is show them how once, and their off. Hell, they even know how to load a Glock with a live round in the chamber, and the trigger "not" set. Ive won bets on all three.

Either I disagree or other people have more trouble switching modes than me. I claim it is much easier to go between a P7 and a Glock 19 than it is a Glock 19 and a 1911 - as both the P7 and Glock 19 have no manual safety. The grip squeeze on the P7 is automatic for anyone wo properly grips a pistol.

Hey, if you can guarantee that under stress, you have the gun cocked, 100%, with every presentation, have at it. I didnt feel comfortable with mine, unless I dedicated myself to it, and it was all I was carrying.

As far as properly gripping the pistol, Id say 90% plus, of the people I let shoot mine, had issues cocking, or remembering to cock the gun, and keep it cocked, with a "normal" grip for any of the other pistols being used (Glocks, 1911's, HP's, S&W's etc), and almost all those people were experienced shooters.

If you spend some time with the gun, and have the cocking sequence ingrained, its not as much an issue, but even then, if you switch out between guns a lot, it can still be an issue. Same can be said of the 1911, with both its grip and thumb safety, if you wander from the platform for any length of time. With the P7's, its not hard to get it cocked, and certainly easy enough to keep it cocked, you just have to make sure your brain is wired to actually cock it, 100% of the time. The only time I would say a "normal" grip works, is "after" its cocked.

Don't holster a gun with your finger on the trigger and the gun won't fire.

Dont holster the P7 with it cocked, and it cant happen.

Another issue is/was safety or thumb straps, but you still shouldnt be holstering it cocked. Same as you shouldnt holster a 1911 with the thumb safety off, and the grip safety engaged, although most probably do the latter.

[VA27]

I like the P7. I even carried an m8 in an ankle holster as a backup. When it first came out it was about the most compact 'service' pistol available. It wasn't all that weighty then and it was certainly slim and short compaired to its contemporaries. It makes my top 5 list of service pistols: in order of appearance, Luger, 1911, P35, P7, Glock 17.

I must also agree with the guy on the Ducati with Vermont plates: I would sell almost any number of my other handguns to own a P7M7. I think H&K would have sold a goodly number of them had they been produced. I feel cheated for never having had the chance to own one and will NEVER forgive H&K for not producing them.

[RWBlue]

Originally Posted by bac1023

I'm not sure about the greatest ever, but its an awesome pistol for sure.

I've got a P7M8 and P7M10 and love both of them.

BAC, see what I was saying in another thread. Everything is the best, the greatest the.....



BTW, I have not had an opportunity to shoot the P7, but I love the look and what I know of the design. When I win the lottery.....

[Ruggles]

I owned 2 x P7 PSPs over the years. Suckers get HOT (as is not fun to hold anymore) after about 60 rounds.....I hear the P7M8 has a heat shield to limit that. But in a service gun that is no big deal, just at the range.

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr

Back to the P7,..... here's my Tripp hard chromed M8 wearing Nills.

Beautiful Greg

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by RWBlue

BAC, see what I was saying in another thread. Everything is the best, the greatest the.....

Of course, that's why its important to quantify what you're talking about when saying the best.

In the other thread, I mentioned accuracy and build quality when speaking of the 952.

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by rsilvers

I would say the Glock 17 is the best combat pistol ever designed.

Really? What combat has it seen?

To me, its the 1911 hands down.

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr

The Hi Power holds that honor as far as 9mm is concerned.
The 1911 is, hands down, the nest combat pistol ever created to date!

...my two favorite pistols for sure

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by Ruggles

When the Glock is 100 years old and still in widespread use and production worldwide then we can talk about it besting the 1911.

Well said Ruggles...

[cooljeff]

Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr

Back to the P7,..... here's my Tripp hard chromed M8 wearing Nills.

Why are the rounds in the magazine backwards?

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by cooljeff

Why are the rounds in the magazine backwards?

That's an old HK joke...

[Ruggles]

Originally Posted by bac1023

Really? What combat has it seen?

To me, its the 1911 hands down.

Torture test sir, the G17 has seen many a torture test!

I read somewhere, not sure where, that when men are cruising thru space on spaceships (aka Star Trek style) the two things that will be on every ship is a roll of duct tape and a 1911.

[countrygun]

OH I can be unpopular with my opinion. I think the HK is a great wonderful, superlative pistol. One of the best ever designed if not the best execution of a concept in my lifetime, indeed I do. BUT, I do more things with a handgun than carry it around in case I have to shoot someone. The HK is beyond excellent for that if you are happy with the caliber I won't argue with you if you limit to "just for that purpose". There are other handguns that can do that plus many other things. I don't have my own "greatest handgun" because there are too many variables from purpose to purpose and shooter to shooter, and remember, the gun isn't anything until someone puts it to use.

There are many "Greatest Handguns" because their are many uses for handgun.

[Texas357]

The problem with the P7 PSP is that for such a great gun, finding a holster for it is a real *****.

i carried mine today.

[PzGren]

Definitely a good pistol and I have always enjoyed the accuracy that this small platform offers but there is a reason why the GSG9 got rid of it in a hurry.

Do a house clearing with that squeeze cocker and it is a dead give away. As a service pistol it has proven its limits, as a range gun it is great for heat resistent hands.

[MarcDW]

Originally Posted by PzGren

Definitely a good pistol and I have always enjoyed the accuracy that this small platform offers but there is a reason why the GSG9 got rid of it in a hurry.

Do a house clearing with that squeeze cocker and it is a dead give away. As a service pistol it has proven its limits, as a range gun it is great for heat resistent hands.

In the winter it's great to have warm hands!!
You are just a P7 infidel!

[PzGren]

Originally Posted by MarcDW

In the winter it's great to have warm hands!!
You are just a P7 infidel!

I take the P7 for what it is, no emotional attachment. I hate the hammer bite of the SIG P210 and had to cut my hammer. I would not know of one single handgun that I find perfect, not even if a clever marketing campaign has made "perfection" their slogan.

[MarcDW]

Since there are different applications, there can't be just one gun fitting all needs.
But as a CCW pistol, the P7 platform offers several great advantages.

[PzGren]

Originally Posted by MarcDW

Since there are different applications, there can't be just one gun fitting all needs.
But as a CCW pistol, the P7 platform offers several great advantages.

Definitely a good pistol and I have always enjoyed the accuracy that this small platform offers

There are no special interpretation skills necessary to see that this is what I meant, agreed? The built quality is another virtue, it is also what phased the P7, the Hämmerli 208/212, and the SIG P210 out.

[MarcDW]

Actually there is a new version of the P210.
And production cost is the biggest reason for discounting the P7M series.