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Old 09-04-2012, 12:10   #61
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Milt Sparks 55BN. It doesn't have to be anything exotic in design.

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Old 09-04-2012, 12:22   #62
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The squeeze cocker seemed inherently unsafe to me - constricting three fingers on the cocker looks like a good way to automatically squeeze the trigger finger in a sudden emergency.
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Old 09-04-2012, 12:43   #63
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The squeeze cocker seemed inherently unsafe to me - constricting three fingers on the cocker looks like a good way to automatically squeeze the trigger finger in a sudden emergency.
It takes a bit of force to squeeze the lever. I can't recall the spec exactly, but it's in the 10-12 pounds range. However, it only takes ~2 pounds to keep the lever engaged. It's not any different once the gun is cocked. I have never had an unexpected discharge as you described.
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Old 09-04-2012, 16:39   #64
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I sold my Chantilly M8 a few months ago for $975. Slightly used, but in good shape with two mags and the original box.

It was a fun pistol to shoot.
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Old 09-04-2012, 16:42   #65
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The NJ state police had a number of unintended discharges, especially when holstering, when they were using them, and they were supposed to be "trained".

Quite a few people who shot mine would squeeze, shoot, uncock right after the round went off, and the repeat, until I showed them otherwise. I did have one person pull the trigger and then "cock" the gun. But that only happened "once".

Once youre familiar with them, they are not a problem, but you do have to be sure that once drawn, the gun is always cocked, and stays that way, until just prior to reholstering.
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Old 09-04-2012, 16:51   #66
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The NJ state police had a number of unintended discharges, especially when holstering, when they were using them, and they were supposed to be "trained".
Cops have NDs all the time with other gun makes & models and they're suppose to be "trained."

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Quite a few people who shot mine would squeeze, shoot, uncock right after the round went off, and the repeat, until I showed them otherwise.
It's a different manual of arms just like the P9 had a slightly different manual of arms.

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I did have one person pull the trigger and then "cock" the gun. But that only happened "once".
I believe that is an acceptable method of firing according to the P7 manual.

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Once youre familiar with them, they are not a problem, but you do have to be sure that once drawn, the gun is always cocked, and stays that way, until just prior to reholstering.
Yep, and that's why it was a Police Pistol and the "clacking" would probably not be too inducive for noise discipline in combat.
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Old 09-04-2012, 17:14   #67
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That was basically my point.

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I believe that is an acceptable method of firing according to the P7 manual.
I sort of remember seeing that, but its been a long time to say for sure. I have shot it that way myself a couple of times on purpose, and its not as accurate as cocking it and shooting it as it was intended. I think its probably more of just "one of those things", and not really an intended use design of the gun.

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Yep, and that's why it was a Police Pistol and the "clacking" would probably not be too inducive for noise discipline in combat.
I doubt the "clack" is any worse than that of an M1/M14's safety or an AK's selector coming off. Id be more worried about not cocking it and then wanting to do so under stress and in a hurry. Thats why it has to be cocked when drawn and remain that way until youre done with it, or at least for me it does.

Id be willing to be it wasnt accepted into military service due to safety issues, and it being so mechanically complicated.
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Old 09-04-2012, 22:23   #68
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If you had to get into a defensive 9mm pistol gunfight against an unknown number of opponents, who would rather be carrying an H&K P7 instead of a Glock 17?
P7 all the way
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and it being so mechanically complicated.
That's the Germans for you. Why have a gun with twenty parts when two hundred parts will do?
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Old 09-05-2012, 08:10   #70
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Greatest handgun ever made - H&K P7

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

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Old 09-05-2012, 08:11   #71
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Hey Brian, you seriously need a Chantilly

Nice P7's!
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Old 09-05-2012, 08:12   #72
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That's the Germans for you. Why have a gun with twenty parts when two hundred parts will do?
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Greatest handgun ever made - H&K P7

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Uh No
I don't think its the greatest ever either, but since you're so adamant about it, what's your opinion of the greatest?
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I don't think its the greatest ever either, but since you're so adamant about it, what's your opinion of the greatest?
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Old 09-05-2012, 08:26   #75
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I don't have a best ever but there are many many many that are better than the heavy, front cocking, small slide, single stack, over engineered, complicated P7

In no certain order I would take the following over that brick anyday;

1911
Glock 17, 19 etc
M&P 9
Walther P1
Browning Hi Power
any of the S&W third gen 9mms

Is there a "best" no, are there lots better than that door weight, yes.
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Old 09-05-2012, 08:28   #76
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I don't have a best ever but there are many many many that are better than the heavy, front cocking, small slide, single stack, over engineered, complicated P7

In no certain order I would take the following over that brick anyday;

1911
Glock 17, 19 etc
M&P 9
Walther P1
Browning Hi Power
any of the S&W third gen 9mms

Is there a "best" no, are there lots better than that door weight, yes.
That's actually a nice list, in my opinion.

I'm not sure how the P7 is a brick, but to each their own.
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I'm not sure how the P7 is a brick, but to each their own.
A lot of weight concentrated in one area. It may be a small pistol but it doesn't feel svelte.
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oh wait, I would take a P7 over a luger, and a Colt 2000
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oh wait, I would take a P7 over a luger, and a Colt 2000
The Colt 2000 is a strange pistol indeed. I sort of like it though.


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Too bad Colt never got the problems out of them.
I liked them from the feel and looks.
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