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Old 09-02-2012, 19:50   #26
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Its a great andgun but I'd take my sig p210 over my p7 though.


The P7 is a better carry gun, however.
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Old 09-02-2012, 23:00   #27
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I bought one with the intention of it being my EDC. In that role it didn't surpass my G19. The act of squeezing the cocker made the P7M8 shift enough in my hand for the sights to be slightly off after the draw. The G19 was more on target after the draw, so it remains my primary carry.
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Old 09-03-2012, 05:13   #28
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P-7

The amazing thing about the H&K P-7 is that it's a decades old design that still stands the test of time kinda like the 1911.I always thought that H&K lost out by not marketing it hard to police departments in the early 80's before Glock took the world by storm. I think for police use the P-7 is much safer than the Glock and there would be far less AD's.
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:04   #29
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The P7 is one of the few compact gun designs out there that shoots a sensible round and is also very accurate during rapid fire. The closest I have gotten to the same level of speed and accuracy in a small gun was with a Bul M5 Commander, a 1911 clone, which is still markedly larger than the P7.

I will probably sell my CZ Phantom and get a P7M13 eventually.
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Old 09-03-2012, 08:32   #30
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Except for the dustcover getting hot it is a great pistol. I use to consider it's trigger to be the best striker fired pistol until the Walther PPQ was introduced.
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Old 09-03-2012, 09:08   #31
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Had two of them,sold them both.No regrets.
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Old 09-03-2012, 09:42   #32
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Its a great gun, but I'd take a few of my others over my P7M8.

It's the only 9mm in my safe, had it since 84. Other 9mms have come and gone.
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:00   #33
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I really like my PSP and am glad I have it. Unique, acurate, fun gun to shoot.

The amount of heat generated by repetitive shooting however keeps it from being used much and as such is not something I rely on to carry.

I even have a Milt Sparks VMII for it in excellent condition if anyone is interested.

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Old 09-03-2012, 12:11   #34
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The P7 was never all that back when it first came out and it still ain't all that. A decent pistol at once upon a time decent price. Nowadays it's a curio with an exhorbitant price.
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Greatest ever? Perhaps not. Unique, yes. Accurate, yes. Heavy, yes. Marginal round capacity, yes. Pricey, yes. Had one years ago but sold it off, after a few mags the guns gets too overheated due to the gas retarding system. Was also awkwardly butt heavy for CCW.
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The amazing thing about the H&K P-7 is that it's a decades old design that still stands the test of time kinda like the 1911.I always thought that H&K lost out by not marketing it hard to police departments in the early 80's before Glock took the world by storm. I think for police use the P-7 is much safer than the Glock and there would be far less AD's.
The P7 is one of the safest pistols around, in my opinion.
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Old 09-03-2012, 17:57   #37
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It's the only 9mm in my safe, had it since 84. Other 9mms have come and gone.
That's cool.

I'm not sure which 9mms you bought and sold, but its certainly a keeper.
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Old 09-03-2012, 18:03   #38
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This thread is seriously lacking pictures of the subject matter.


Here's my M8 and M10...


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Old 09-03-2012, 18:06   #39
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While I love the design and elegance of the P7 and P7M8, the M10 is just freaking ugly to me.
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Old 09-03-2012, 19:23   #40
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The P7 is one of the safest pistols around, in my opinion.
If you understand its peculiarities. It can be as dangerous as anything else youre not familar with, if you dont know it.

I had a P7M13 when they first came out. Paid $450 NIB for it. Spare mags were $25. Ah, the good old days.

The biggest problem with the P7's is, you pretty much either carry them, or everything else. They arent something you switch up every other day. You need to have that cocking manual of arms down, or it will bite you in the ass. Get past that, and they are great guns, accurate, easy to shoot well with, and have the fastest reload of anything going, especially the M13, with its gaping mag well.
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While I love the design and elegance of the P7 and P7M8, the M10 is just freaking ugly to me.
Thanks for your opinion.

I never said it was pretty, but its a great quality pistol and shoots awesome,
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The biggest problem with the P7's is, you pretty much either carry them, or everything else. They arent something you switch up every other day. You need to have that cocking manual of arms down, or it will bite you in the ass. Get past that, and they are great guns, accurate, easy to shoot well with, and have the fastest reload of anything going, especially the M13, with its gaping mag well.
Actually, if you use a crush grip on every gun you shoot, then the squeeze-cocker on the P7 series isn't an issue. After that, it's just keeping your booger picker off the bang switch until you're on target - same as any other gun.

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Thanks for your opinion.

I never said it was pretty, but its a great quality pistol and shoots awesome,
I don't doubt the shootability for a second, and I'd love to try one out some day. The extra mass on the top of the slide just makes them look really strange to me.
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Old 09-04-2012, 00:34   #43
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Now as beautiful the M10 is, for me it is too heavy to CCW.
I should have bought one 20 years ago however when I was offered one for little money (which I spend on foolish things) and just kept it.
Trouble with the M10 is that the .40 needs that weight.
Too bad HK does not make them today, would love a .357 SIG M10!
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I went through my P7 phase. Owned 3 M13s an M8 and an M10. Then I took my Glock 19 to the range and tried my best to convince myself the P7 was a better shooter but the targets would not agree. All that money and all that hype, and such a cool gun, the P7 HAD to be the better shooter. Nope. Bitter pill.

Plus, due to the large handle and short muzzle, a real pain to find good ways to carry it. Most typical carry methods do not work very well while allowing a good purchase on the grip when drawing.

Cool gun!!!! But I was disappointed.
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I don't doubt the shootability for a second, and I'd love to try one out some day. The extra mass on the top of the slide just makes them look really strange to me.
It does look strange. It's known as the "cyclops", after all.
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Now as beautiful the M10 is, for me it is too heavy to CCW.
I should have bought one 20 years ago however when I was offered one for little money (which I spend on foolish things) and just kept it.
Trouble with the M10 is that the .40 needs that weight.
Too bad HK does not make them today, would love a .357 SIG M10!
Yeah, it is very heavy indeed. It's probably the softest shooting 40 I own though.
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I...Then I took my Glock 19 to the range and tried my best to convince myself the P7 was a better shooter but the targets would not agree...
The P7 with it's squeeze cocking is a total different platform which gives you several advantages which a Glock does not even have. The magazine change is one example or disabling the gun by taking out the firing pin is another.
If you were not more accurate with the P7 then with the G19, then most likely it was you.
Which is fine, maybe the Glock fits your hand better or some other factor.

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I...due to the large handle and short muzzle, a real pain to find good ways to carry it. Most typical carry methods do not work very well while allowing a good purchase on the grip when drawing...
I don't know how you CCW, but I have several good OWB holsters and a shoulder holster for the P7 that work just like any other pistol.
The P7 is however more training intensive.
Specially people who come form other platforms have their troubles with the squeeze cocking system.
The P7 is not for everyone. You love it or you hate it.
It is a firearm with a lot of little good details most owners don't know about!

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Yeah, it is very heavy indeed. It's probably the softest shooting 40 I own though.
Never fired a .40 P7, but I bet it is just sweet.
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The P7 with it's squeeze cocking is a total different platform which gives you several advantages which a Glock does not even have.


...an actual safety for starters
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I had one in the late '80's. It never did grow on me, so I sold after about ten years later. The frame heating thing really annoyed me, and I was never able to instinctively pick it up and cock it. I always had to think about it, which bothered me.

Ain't the free market grand?! I like CZs, you like HKs, and the other dude likes Glocks. The market allows us each to make choices based on our own preferences rather than have some bureaucrat somewhere make them for us.
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I had one in the late '80's. It never did grow on me, so I sold after about ten years later. The frame heating thing really annoyed me, and I was never able to instinctively pick it up and cock it. I always had to think about it, which bothered me.
I guess they aren't for everyone. They are different.
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