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Old 09-02-2012, 05:19   #51
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There is too much BS going on here. The OP claims to be getting 5.8 grains of 231 thrown from the 0.43cc cavity. When I point out that this is impossible, he never addresses that. Then, later in the thread, he claims to be throwing 5.8 from the 0.49cc cavity (still impossible BTW). Either this guy is a troll and none of this is actually happening, or his avatar is causing him to be too stoned to know what is going on.
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Old 09-02-2012, 08:02   #52
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Check the charge just as if you are loading. When you load on a LCT you pull the handle four times for each single powder drop.

Besides that I see what Whisky is saying. My experience is that the AutoDisc throws light for the given cavity not heavy. Never had one throw heavy.
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Old 09-02-2012, 09:41   #53
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Gpruitt54,

about the only other thing I can think of is if there is an issue with your powder.

how old is the powder?

was the bottle sealed when you first opened it?

have you kept it closed in a cool dry area?

pour some out on a piece of paper, is it clumped together?

what does it smell like?

take a pinch between your thumb and finger and roll it around, does it say in grain form or does it crumble?

thats about all I got.

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This was the last thing I purchased (this is my first time reloading). The container was sealed. Purchased the powder only 2 day ago. It is stored in the original container and kept in my dry and cool basement, where I do the reloading. I've accidentally spilled some on my reloading table and it does not clump. As far as the smell of the powder; I have no idea what it should smell like.
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Old 09-02-2012, 09:51   #54
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There is too much BS going on here. The OP claims to be getting 5.8 grains of 231 thrown from the 0.43cc cavity. When I point out that this is impossible, he never addresses that. Then, later in the thread, he claims to be throwing 5.8 from the 0.49cc cavity (still impossible BTW). Either this guy is a troll and none of this is actually happening, or his avatar is causing him to be too stoned to know what is going on.
I've been so involved in responding to recommendations, I may have missed your contribution. In response to another suggestion, I tried using a different disk. As with the .43 and .40 disk, see the following so called impossible drops. Am I drunk or stupid; No. But I am interested in finding a solution to this issue. I look forward to any suggestions that can get me pass these issues. See the following test drops:

.49 auto desk. HP-38 Powder. Following are 20 separate drops using .49 auto desk and the weight of the powder drop. Before each powder drop, the scale was zeroed out with the case on the scale:
1)5.0, 2)5.6, 3)5.6, 4)5.6, 5)5.6, 6)5.8, 7)5.8, 8)5.8, 9)5.8, 10)5.8, 11)5.2, 12)5.2, 13)5.0, 14)5.0, 15)5.0, 16)5.0, 17)5.8, 18)5.6, 19)5.8, 20)5.8

.46 auto desk. HP-38 Powder. Following are 20 separate drops using .46 auto desk and the weight of the powder drop. Before each powder drop, the scale was zeroed out with the case on the scale:
1)5.0, 2)5.0, 3)5.2, 4)5.2, 5)5.0, 6)4.8, 7)4.8, 8)5.0, 9)5.0, 10)5.2, 11)5.2, 12)5.0, 13)5.0, 14)5.0, 15)5.0, 16)5.0, 17)5.0, 18)5.0, 19)5.2, 20)5.4

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Old 09-02-2012, 09:54   #55
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It could be some oil on the internals of the powder measure and discs. But I am convinced he is just not allowing the powder to properly settle by leaving the indexing rod in and pulling the handle 4 times to get the powder to settle and move into the cavity properly. Fill the measure full, tap the side several times. Pull the handle 16 times and drop 4 charges in the process before you weight the 5th. Be sure the die is set to slightly flare the case to be sure it is activated fully as well.
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Old 09-02-2012, 09:57   #56
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It could be some oil on the internals of the powder measure and discs. But I am convinced he is just not allowing the powder to properly settle by leaving the indexing rod in and pulling the handle 4 times to get the powder to settle and move into the cavity properly. Fill the measure full, tap the side several times. Pull the handle 16 times and drop 4 charges in the process before you weight the 5th. Be sure the die is set to slightly flare the case to be sure it is activated fully as well.
That doesn't explain grossly overweight charges, only underweight charges.
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. Before each powder drop, the scale was zeroed out with the case on the scale:
What scale are you using? Why you zeroing so often? Zero with the pan on the scale and don't rezero. Drop the powder in the pan and tap the case in the pan a couple times.
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That doesn't explain grossly overweight charges, only underweight charges.
True. Hence my above post. I also wonder if he is reading the disc wrong. The way they fit in the measure could confuse someone.
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Old 09-02-2012, 10:38   #59
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True. Hence my above post. I also wonder if he is reading the disc wrong. The way they fit in the measure could confuse someone.
I was thinking the same thing.
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Old 09-02-2012, 10:49   #60
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This may be a silly question , Is the press bolted firmly down, is there powder on the press ? I've seen this happen. Your charges will be all over the board if the press is loose.
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True. Hence my above post. I also wonder if he is reading the disc wrong. The way they fit in the measure could confuse someone.
It wouldn't be too hard for some people to read the disc 180* out, but opposite the 0.43cc cavity is a smaller one, not a larger one.
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What scale are you using? Why you zeroing so often? Zero with the pan on the scale and don't rezero. Drop the powder in the pan and tap the case in the pan a couple times.
That's just my way to assure myself that nothing has changed. The scale is not drifting. Just ironing out and eliminating the variables and variances.

The scale is a MH-200 digital pocket scale.
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This may be a silly question , Is the press bolted firmly down, is there powder on the press ? I've seen this happen. Your charges will be all over the board if the press is loose.
The press is secured to a solidly anchored work table. I ain't budging from it's place.
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That's just my way to assure myself that nothing has changed. The scale is not drifting. Just ironing out and eliminating the variables and variances.

The scale is a MH-200 digital pocket scale.
The good news is, you're fine. Your $9.00 scale is the bad news.
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Get a Dillon Beam. I would never trust a cheap digital. Especially the way your recalibrating it. Try weighting the same charge 20 times and see what happens.
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If money is tight, the Lee Safety Scale is accurate and cheap. It is cumbersome to use.
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It wouldn't be too hard for some people to read the disc 180* out, but opposite the 0.43cc cavity is a smaller one, not a larger one.
Good question.

Opposite the .46 opening is .57 opening. So, I am sure I am dropping the correct load. For my current test drops I am using the .46 opening.

I am using the Lee auto desk. It's the one with the square shaped hopper; not the Lee Pro auto desk. Maybe that will help ID my issue.

When I am done with the 20 test drops, I will post the numbers in this thread. For these drops, I am cycling the press through all 4 dies and cropping the charge onto a cup that is on the scale. Yes, I am tapping the case to assure getting all the powder into the cup for weighing.
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Did you clean all the insides to remove oils. Alcohol would work well.
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Did you clean all the insides to remove oils. Alcohol would work well.
OK, here's the total noob question. Clean the insides of what?
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OK guys, would you call this a solution.

.46 auto desk. HP-38 Powder. Following are 20 separate drops using .46 auto desk. Each drop was poured and tapped onto the scale. Between each drop, I cycled the press fully through all die stations. Here are the results:

1)5.0, 2)5.0, 3)5.0, 4)5.8, 5)5.0, 6)5.0, 7)5.2, 8)5.0, 9)5.0, 10)5.0, 11)5.0, 12)5.0, 13)5.0, 14)5.0, 15)4.8, 16)5.0, 17)4.8, 18)5.0, 19)5.0, 20)5.0

Might the solution be to fully cycle the press through the die station between drops. [Colorado4Wheel] thanks for that recommendation.

How important is it that every single drop exceeded the volume of the .46 disk opening???
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OK guys, would you call this a solution.

.46 auto desk. HP-38 Powder. Following are 20 separate drops using .46 auto desk. Each drop was poured and tapped onto the scale. Between each drop, I cycled the press fully through all die stations. Here are the results:

1)5.0, 2)5.0, 3)5.0, 4)5.8, 5)5.0, 6)5.0, 7)5.2, 8)5.0, 9)5.0, 10)5.0, 11)5.0, 12)5.0, 13)5.0, 14)5.0, 15)4.8, 16)5.0, 17)4.8, 18)5.0, 19)5.0, 20)5.0

Might the solution be to fully cycle the press through the die station between drops. [Colorado4Wheel] thanks for that recommendation.

How important is it that every single drop exceeded the volume of the .46 disk opening???
You can't weigh powder charges with any kind of precision with a scale meant to be carried in your pocket. That scale is meant ot measure weed, not powder charges.
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OK guys, would you call this a solution.

.46 auto desk. HP-38 Powder. Following are 20 separate drops using .46 auto desk. Each drop was poured and tapped onto the scale. Between each drop, I cycled the press fully through all die stations. Here are the results:

1)5.0, 2)5.0, 3)5.0, 4)5.8, 5)5.0, 6)5.0, 7)5.2, 8)5.0, 9)5.0, 10)5.0, 11)5.0, 12)5.0, 13)5.0, 14)5.0, 15)4.8, 16)5.0, 17)4.8, 18)5.0, 19)5.0, 20)5.0

Might the solution be to fully cycle the press through the die station between drops. [Colorado4Wheel] thanks for that recommendation.

How important is it that every single drop exceeded the volume of the .46 disk opening???
The measure is consistent. That is important. Now you need a real scale.
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That doesn't explain grossly overweight charges, only underweight charges.
Exactly, you would have to jam the powder in the cavity to throw that much over. My guess would be a scale problem or not using it right.
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I was wondering if the scale was set to the wrong thing. Either way it only weights to .2 grains and that is not good enough. His scale weights in Grams and Grains. Could he be misplacing the decimal on the Grams?
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You can't weigh powder charges with any kind of precision with a scale meant to be carried in your pocket. That scale is meant ot measure weed, not powder charges.
Well, I don't smoke weed anymore. So, I bought it for reloading. It seems to work just fine. It weights in grains as well as many other weight measurements. So, why not? How large does a digital device need to be?
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