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Old 08-23-2012, 11:32   #1
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Hello from Italy

Hello everybody

My name is Cris(tian), from Italy (even if now I am in Slovakia for work).
Since last october i am the happy and proud owner of a gen 3 Glock 21.
Sadly due to my job i didn't shoot a lot.. But hopefully at the end ofmthis project inwhich i am involved now, i will start tomgo tomthe range more often.
Anyway, i have been lurking around couple of time but now i decided to join since i have various question to post in the various subforum.

Ciao

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Old 08-23-2012, 11:34   #2
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Welcome to the forum. You made a good choice in a firearm.

How available is 45ACP in Italy? I always thought of that as more of an American cartridge.
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Old 08-23-2012, 11:44   #3
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Old 08-23-2012, 13:01   #4
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Welcome to the forum. You made a good choice in a firearm.

How available is 45ACP in Italy? I always thought of that as more of an American cartridge.
thanks for the welcome.
To answer to your question: the .45ACP is an absolute American institution and this is one of the reason of my love for it (I developed my taste for weapon when i was a student in a student exchange program and I have been sent in the US for some time..)
Now in Italy this kind of ammo are readly available, we even have Fiocchi make some serious loads (185grs +p Black Mamba is more or less the most powerfull ammo you cna buy in Italy in that caliber).. but untill like 15 years ago it was illegal: it was considered a "war ammo" this because it was in service in various Army, mainly the US one. at a given point the guys in ours gov at that time discovered that the US Army left the venerable Colt system and switched to an Italian system.. lol the Beretta 92. (note that in Italy we don't have 9mm parabellum if not chambered in some revolver, we have a 9X21 version for example of the G17).
Then when it was time to buy my first hadgun I decided to go for a Glock: I was looking for an "easy" weapon, something forgivefull even with a poor shoot as I am.
At that point I was going back and forth between the 20 and the 21 but imho the 10mm is, in my opinion, an ammo for proficent shooter, at last more than what it is a .45ACP so I jumped on the 21 and it is the classical "two bird with one stone" since I went back to my first love aka the first round that I have ever shot: the .45ACP.

Anyway, thanks for the warm welcome, I feel at home already

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Cris, what does it take for a citizen to own a handgun in Italy?
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Welcome. Where in Italy are you I headed there next month on vacation?
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Old 08-26-2012, 21:48   #18
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Greetings

Hello folks and thanks for having me. The name is Dave and I'm from southeastern PA.

After hanging out here awhile, I finally decided to join up and sponge in all the valuable knowledge I see flying around.

Being a member of various other forums, I know how these things work and am looking forward to mingling and meandering this great site and all it has to offer.

Purchased my first Glock 17 back in January "87" and still have the original paperwork, tupperware, mags, ect...lightly fired it and will never sell it. I have such vivid memories of how much the old timers hated the plastic frame and ugly appearance. For me,...it was love at first site.

Lately I've been on the AR15 bandwagon and picked up my first Rock River,...tac op2 with all the goodies, eotech, ect... All I can say is I love that dang gun as much as I love my glocks.

Currently looking for a new or slightly used Gen 3/23 to add to my collection - main use CCL and would love to hear any and all opinions.

Once again, thanks for having me and I hope to help out when I can.
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Hello folks and thanks for having me. The name is Dave and I'm from southeastern PA.

After hanging out here awhile, I finally decided to join up and sponge in all the valuable knowledge I see flying around.

Being a member of various other forums, I know how these things work and am looking forward to mingling and meandering this great site and all it has to offer.

Purchased my first Glock 17 back in January "87" and still have the original paperwork, tupperware, mags, ect...lightly fired it and will never sell it. I have such vivid memories of how much the old timers hated the plastic frame and ugly appearance. For me,...it was love at first site.

Lately I've been on the AR15 bandwagon and picked up my first Rock River,...tac op2 with all the goodies, eotech, ect... All I can say is I love that dang gun as much as I love my glocks.

Currently looking for a new or slightly used Gen 3/23 to add to my collection - main use CCL and would love to hear any and all opinions.

Once again, thanks for having me and I hope to help out when I can.
Man, screwing things up already maybe a mod could correct my mistake,...I thought I was starting a new intro thread but mistakenly contributed to another.

Like i said, I know these things work
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Old 08-26-2012, 22:56   #20
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Welcome Cris and Dave. I visited Italy many years ago and loved seeing the notable places of History.

Don't worry Dave, it isn't anything in the grand scheme of things. Just don't pull a Biden.........
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Old 08-27-2012, 03:40   #21
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Cris, what does it take for a citizen to own a handgun in Italy?
Good question.. please hope that the uber boring and long answer will not annoy anybody.

What I list here is the stuff required to have the permission to buy and own handgun, rifle and shotgun and to carry them to the range.

Some are obvious stuff:
- clean criminal record
- no mental illness (in my case they was not paying attention to that.. )
- you have to pass a medical examination that say that you are ok also on the phisical side (no idea why.. but this is actually just a series of question from the doc and 60Euro that goes..)

Then you have to submit your request to the local Police command and wait for the answer (mine took 7 months)
If your background check is ok and you don't have any pending judgment going on, usually you get your permission.
With that you can own
3 "common" gun (my Glock 21 is a common gun)
6 "sport" gun (my HK MR223 is a sport gun - as an example also the Glock 17L is registered as sport gun)
all the hunting rifle and shotgun that you want (no idea why the MR223 is considered a sport rifle and not an hunting rifle like the Norinco M16.. strange things..)
what is totally absurd is the numeber of ammo:
200 ammo for combined for all the common and sport weapon (no kidding..)
1500 ammo for shotgun and hunting rifle
if you are a reloader (everybody in Italy reload since the ridiculus amount of ammo we can own) you can own up to 3Kg of gun powder and as much as other component.
If you are a competitive shooter the 200 ammo limit goes up to 1500 (you have to be shooting for more than one year and to proof you are a competitive shooter showint the police your fee payment to at last a couple of shooting competition every year) and to get this permission, usually, it takes another year..
We cannot purchase hollow point ammo

For CCW:
Better forget it.. in Italy, with 67 milion of citizen, less than 70000 have a CCW and, most of those are private guard and, if they stop to do this job, they loose the CCW..
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Old 08-27-2012, 03:45   #22
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Welcome. Where in Italy are you I headed there next month on vacation?
Hello, thanks for asking!!

I live in Reggio Emilia, more or less between Milan (probably you will be landing there) and Bologna.
Not a big city, but if you stop by, let me know, if I am in Italy (in this moment I am in Slovakia where I am working.. we are building a welding system for a very important Car maker here in Europe) I will be happy to say hello.
Also if you stop by I will show you where the Italian flag is born (the town hall of my city is called "Sala del Tricolore" because the Italian flag was born there) for the rest.. I can grant that I will take you out for lunch or dinner on some fine place.. real local stuff.. :-)
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Old 08-27-2012, 03:47   #23
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Man, screwing things up already maybe a mod could correct my mistake,...I thought I was starting a new intro thread but mistakenly contributed to another.

Like i said, I know these things work
c'mon man no problem at all! please be my guest!!
Also I just jumped on the M4 bandwagon so we can share this pllace :-)
and that "blond moment" emoticons made me really laugh so thanks for joining
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Thanks for the info, Cris!

One more question...

Are there any indoor shooting ranges there that are open to the public? Do they rent guns for people who do not own them?
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Old 08-27-2012, 06:52   #25
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Thanks for the info, Cris!

One more question...

Are there any indoor shooting ranges there that are open to the public? Do they rent guns for people who do not own them?
Heya
Most of the range in Italy rent guns and, also, all of them sells ammo.
The indoor range, at last in my area are quite rare (I am aware only of one, the Police one) but let say that the "mixed" configuration is common: they are built like the court of old house: you have screened porch all around so you and the target are under a roof and all around you there are wall.
http://www.tsnre.it/default.aspx
this is the link to range wheer I shoot the most (TSN stand for Tiro a Segno Nazionale: National Shooting range.) consider that most of the range in Italy are privately managed by local sport association but are state owned. Also consider that the safety inspection are made by Italian Army corps of Engeneer and the land where the TSN is built is owned by the Governemnt also.
So said on the website you can see the "Armi a noleggio" it is the "Weapons for rent" section and some pictures of the old part of the building where the the Italian Army went to train before and during WWII. (yes also the shooting range in most part of Italy are monument.. LOL)
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