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Old 09-29-2012, 08:38   #51
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Your bullet fine, per the authority: http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De.../index.htm#9mm



Good question. These are the same people who adamantly refuse to acknowledge the FACT that both the 9mm 115JHP+P+ and the 357Mag 125JHP, used by street cops across the nation in hundreds of shootings, have a proven street record.

But hey, DocGKR doesn't let such facts get in the way when it comes down to testing bullets in the artificial labratory under artificial conditions using ballistic jello that cannot and will never be able to simulate real human flesh, blood and bones.
I am glad to hear this, seeing how I carry WW 9mm +p+ 115gr JHP ammo.
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Old 09-29-2012, 18:47   #52
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[QUOTE=cowboy1964;19466490]I love it when people poo-poo gel testing. You got something better that you're keeping a secret?

"Doc is a DENTIST???! Well there ya go, he must be an idiot and must not really have done any of this ballistics work over the years that he's claimed."

I wouldn't say he's an idiot. But many people go around calling him a "author and a professional at ballistics". He certainly has a lot of experience testing bullets like many ammunition Aficionado's, but his professional education wasn't in ballistics.
Many tout his opinion as coming from Mt. Olympus. I take my knowledge from many sources, lab and street and choose accordingly.
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Old 09-29-2012, 21:38   #53
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I think gel testing is a great way to compare loads. It allows you to see if one load penetrates more than another, if one bullet expands more than another, etc. However, I think there is a lot to learn from real world load performance. My biggest issue with both sides of this debate is that they completely ignore each other.

Gel testing is not the only way to gather information on loads. At the same time, street results need to be gathered in a way that allow them to be analysed scientifically and statistically.

Or, on the other hand, you miss and none of it matters
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Old 09-29-2012, 21:46   #54
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I carry a Glock 19, never shot in self defense, but I have shot a few little hogs with it and a couple of skunks.

I shot the hogs with Winchester NATO, the skunks with 124+p Gold Dots.

All were DRT. Shot placement.

I carry Win Ranger T 127+p+, Fed HST 147+p and Win PDX 124+p. No particular rhyme or reason why/when I carry the different types. I've tested all of 'em for function and accuracy and hope I can put 'em where I need 'em when I need to.
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Old 09-29-2012, 23:56   #55
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Old 09-30-2012, 23:20   #56
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147 gr. HSTs
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Old 09-30-2012, 23:28   #57
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This is what I carry.

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Old 10-01-2012, 09:37   #58
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That is a decent load. If I recall correctly, that load chronoed at about 1250 FPS.
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Old 10-31-2012, 18:11   #59
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just pickup a box of 147 +P and 124 +P HST's for my g19 gen 4 from ammo to go. still on the fence here.

one thing for sure federal would not produce a 147gr HST for giggles...
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just pickup a box of 147 +P and 124 +P HST's for my g19 gen 4 from ammo to go. still on the fence here.

one thing for sure federal would not produce a 147gr HST for giggles...
I'd use the 124 gr loads. They'll exceed 1200 FPS out of your G19.
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In 9mm, any one of the following loads would be fine by me:

1. Winchester Ranger T-Series 127 grain +P+

2. Federal HST 124 grain +p

3. Speer Gold Dot 124 Grain +P

(Those aren't in any particular order.) I'd trust my life to any of those without a second thought.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:44   #62
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I'd use the 124 gr loads. They'll exceed 1200 FPS out of your G19.
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(The only other exception is the Ranger T-Series 127 +P+.)
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All have good input---I have shot most of them---my current favorite is the Critical Duty Hornday +P 135's--accurate with great reliability reputation. Thus far I have only had to shoot paper of course, and I am human with the same hard-wired response to a threat as the rest. After I retired from the Navy, one of the many things I did to "get out of the house" was 3 years working at a shooting range. Lots of fun, either shooting and/or talking about shooting every day. Best shooter I ever observed was a 20 something Virginia State Trooper---tear the bull up at 25 yards with a G26--I am decent but not quite up to that level. So my 2 cents I suppose is work on the muscle memory enough and it doesn't matter too much if you shoot a .22 or a .50. Two to the ticker and one upstairs-------
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Old 11-01-2012, 13:37   #64
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All have good input---I have shot most of them---my current favorite is the Critical Duty Hornday +P 135's--accurate with great reliability reputation. Thus far I have only had to shoot paper of course, and I am human with the same hard-wired response to a threat as the rest. After I retired from the Navy, one of the many things I did to "get out of the house" was 3 years working at a shooting range. Lots of fun, either shooting and/or talking about shooting every day. Best shooter I ever observed was a 20 something Virginia State Trooper---tear the bull up at 25 yards with a G26--I am decent but not quite up to that level. So my 2 cents I suppose is work on the muscle memory enough and it doesn't matter too much if you shoot a .22 or a .50. Two to the ticker and one upstairs-------
I have heard a bit about these light-weight .40 S&W loadings. What velocities do they get with the 135gr bullet?
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Old 12-05-2012, 17:48   #65
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thanks for input on the 124's..
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