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08-17-2012, 07:54
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Video captures Michigan man's shooting by police
Video captures Michigan man's shooting by police
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/16/us/mic...ing/index.html
Video at above link:
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08-17-2012, 09:29
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Well, when you have a knife and refuse multiple LE orders to drop the knife, you really have to seriously consider whether you want to go into a martial arts stance and then start pacing back-and-forth as prelude (physically and mentally) to charging into the police line.
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There are at least two sides to every story. I just heard yours and, indeed, you appear to be the victim. But I can't stop wondering what the other side has to say. :dunno:
In a gun fight, even doing everything right can still get you killed.
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08-17-2012, 09:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Patchman
Well, when you have a knife and refuse multiple LE orders to drop the knife, you really have to seriously consider whether you want to go into a martial arts stance and then start pacing back-and-forth as prelude (physically and mentally) to charging into the police line.
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Yeah, that kinda of thinking requires common sense and a modicum of intelligence. Why go through all that work when it's easier to say it's the cops' fault?
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The first round is a moral decision. All of the following rounds are tactical decisions.
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08-17-2012, 09:54
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Can't say he wasn't warned or given a chance....
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08-17-2012, 10:04
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I am a professional I always aim true whether firing single shots or full automatic, I know neither fatigue nor failure I would take pride in my work but for one thing, I do not know my target, I am not the one that kills, that distinction belongs to the man who pulls my trigger, I am an assault rifle my name is Kalashnikov
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08-17-2012, 10:11
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I dont mean any racism in this comment. However. Why whenever a black male.......charges police with a weapon, and then is subsequently shot to death by said police, who are defending themselves from a crazed armed man..........why does the african american community go in an outrage and say it was un-justified. I dont get it. If you charge a cop with a knife, your going to get shot! no matter what color your skin is. This has nothing to do with race but they believe it does...........soo stupid.
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08-17-2012, 11:06
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we can thank obama, rahm, et al. for the exponential rise in racial tensions.
"the color of your skin is the sin"
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08-17-2012, 12:11
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That's what happens when you bring a knife to a gun fight. Oh, and as the old addage goes, anything worth shooting once is worth shooting again. Ammo is cheap, life is not.
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Fast forward 6 months for the DUI trial. Prosecutor is reviewing the booking room video and asks me why I am moon-walking while the drunk offender is hopping around in slow motion in a big white suit.
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08-17-2012, 12:39
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So, what exactly is the "better" way that the situation could have been handled?
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08-17-2012, 15:28
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Originally Posted by sheriff733
So, what exactly is the "better" way that the situation could have been handled?
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Bean bags??
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08-17-2012, 15:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sheriff733
So, what exactly is the "better" way that the situation could have been handled?
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I believe the Marine Corp's Urban Pacification Battalions have been experimenting with immobilizer foam. Let 9-1-1 have a direct connection to them?
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There are at least two sides to every story. I just heard yours and, indeed, you appear to be the victim. But I can't stop wondering what the other side has to say. :dunno:
In a gun fight, even doing everything right can still get you killed.
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08-17-2012, 15:57
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Originally Posted by OLY-M4gery
Bean bags??
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But how often are bean bags and other "heavy" less lethals readily available?
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Originally Posted by series1811
The first round is a moral decision. All of the following rounds are tactical decisions.
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08-17-2012, 16:27
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Originally Posted by CJStudent
But how often are bean bags and other "heavy" less lethals readily available?
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Every patrol car at my agency has 12 ga less lethal in it.
When my agency transitioned from shotgun to rifle, we kept all the shotguns and switched ammo.
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08-17-2012, 17:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLY-M4gery
Every patrol car at my agency has 12 ga less lethal in it.
When my agency transitioned from shotgun to rifle, we kept all the shotguns and switched ammo.
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Must be nice! How many agencies out there actually have this, though?
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"Opportunity is missed by most people because it comes dressed in overalls and looks like work." -- Thomas Edison
Quote:
Originally Posted by series1811
The first round is a moral decision. All of the following rounds are tactical decisions.
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08-17-2012, 17:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLY-M4gery
Every patrol car at my agency has 12 ga less lethal in it.
When my agency transitioned from shotgun to rifle, we kept all the shotguns and switched ammo.
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Didn't some agency end up shooting someone with slug/buck when they meant to use beanbags?
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There are at least two sides to every story. I just heard yours and, indeed, you appear to be the victim. But I can't stop wondering what the other side has to say. :dunno:
In a gun fight, even doing everything right can still get you killed.
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08-17-2012, 18:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Patchman
Didn't some agency end up shooting someone with slug/buck when they meant to use beanbags?
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If memory serves, that's happened more than once in recent years.
Sorry, but the answer to a knife is a gun, plain and simple. Anything else that is used and comes out okay is dumb luck.
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08-17-2012, 18:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by youngdocglock
I dont mean any racism in this comment. However. Why whenever a black male.......charges police with a weapon, and then is subsequently shot to death by said police, who are defending themselves from a crazed armed man..........why does the african american community go in an outrage and say it was un-justified. I dont get it. If you charge a cop with a knife, your going to get shot! no matter what color your skin is. This has nothing to do with race but they believe it does...........soo stupid.
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Did you watch the video? You can see the guy, (he's a midget btw) turn AWAY from the police, and then they shoot him. He then falls forward, AWAY from them, and they continue shooting.
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08-17-2012, 18:51
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I trust you have read the Force Science report regarding turning and shot fired.
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08-17-2012, 19:19
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Originally Posted by msu_grad_121
If memory serves, that's happened more than once in recent years.
Sorry, but the answer to a knife is a gun, plain and simple. Anything else that is used and comes out okay is dumb luck.
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I have to agree.
Even the gun isn't sure fire, as anyone can find on youtube, but it's the bet I'm putting my money on if confronted with a knife.
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08-17-2012, 19:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Morris
I trust you have read the Force Science report regarding turning and shot fired.
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you have a link to this? i have not read it
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08-17-2012, 19:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Morris
I trust you have read the Force Science report regarding turning and shot fired.
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Who, me? Why would I need to read a report when I can see what happens with my own eyes?
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08-17-2012, 21:20
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Originally Posted by Dennisr1977
Who, me? Why would I need to read a report when I can see what happens with my own eyes?
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You will notice that there at least two officers that come from the direction he was walking. From that, I surmise, that he was walking, with a knife, towards them.
I'm pretty sure they were not going to let him leave the area, agitated and with a knife, there were not too many directions he could have gone and not gone towards a cop.
Of course, he could have simply dropped the knife.
Also, once a decision to shoot is made, if a suspect turns, its very hard to stop, hence, bad guys occasionally wind up with holes in thier side and back.
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08-17-2012, 21:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt127
You will notice that there at least two officers that come from the direction he was walking. From that, I surmise, that he was walking, with a knife, towards them.
I'm pretty sure they were not going to let him leave the area, agitated and with a knife, there were not too many directions he could have gone and not gone towards a cop. .
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I call bull****. I didn't see any officers in that direction, and the other officers would have firing directly at them I they were over there.
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08-17-2012, 21:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennisr1977
I call bull****. I didn't see any officers in that direction, and the other officers would have firing directly at them I they were over there.
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And of course, you were there and saw EVERYTHING..... 
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"Opportunity is missed by most people because it comes dressed in overalls and looks like work." -- Thomas Edison
Quote:
Originally Posted by series1811
The first round is a moral decision. All of the following rounds are tactical decisions.
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08-17-2012, 21:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt127
You will notice that there at least two officers that come from the direction he was walking. From that, I surmise, that he was walking, with a knife, towards them.
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Are they still on the left side by the car or have they joined the line of officers by the time the shots are fired?
The video is not the best.
Last edited by Lampshade; 08-17-2012 at 21:41..
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