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Old 08-15-2012, 08:47   #51
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Diamond, same situation happened with my G21 gen 4, serial # TAU. I had a post elsewhere on GT last week.

I shot several hundred rounds of 4 different types of factory ammo, all caused many cases to eject onto forearms or at my face. Right side ejects were also weak.

I locked my slide to rear for a week and then had same results. Shot 650 rounds until I'd had enough and the gun is now back at Glock with a long note on what is happening, what I did, and told them to run a lot of rounds through it before simply replacing a part or two and sending back.

On a side note, the ejector would hit the plastic slide plate when I reattached the slide after field stripping to the extent that I had to lift the rear of the slide when reattaching it. I told them this too.

Second Glock I've sent back. They fixed my G23 right when I had an issue of that ejector causing the slide to hang up, so I have confidence. Sucked to pay $68 for next day shipping, but the place I bought it from is 90 miles from my house and not worth the time and fuel cost.

Good luck with yours. I will post any fix they perform when I get my pistol back.


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Got my gun back from Glock yesterday and had to call them today to find out what they did to it. Found out they replaced the trigger housing with ejector, trigger and trigger bar, and slide stop lever, and they ran five magazines of ammo through it.

I plan on hitting the range on Friday to see how it shoots.


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Old 08-15-2012, 08:56   #52
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Got my gun back from Glock yesterday and had to call them today to find out what they did to it. Found out they replaced the trigger housing with ejector, trigger and trigger bar, and slide stop lever, and they ran five magazines of ammo through it.

I plan on hitting the range on Friday to see how it shoots.


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Interesting. I wonder if it was an out of spec trigger bar forcing the ejector to angle or move.

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Old 08-15-2012, 18:16   #53
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Buzz,

What # is on your extractor?
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Old 08-16-2012, 13:54   #54
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Ok. So I took my 250rds of 230gr FMJ (890fps) American Eagle, my G21 G4 with the new ejector installed, and a new extractor in a bag with me to the range. Long story short results--not good. Almost all right hand weak ejection. Out of 150rds fired, 3 BTF, and 1 left ejection, 1 right shoulder.

Right away I could tell the new ejector did not make a difference. I switched to the new #2 extractor within the first 2 mags. It did seem to make a slight difference, the right hand weak ejections were getting slightly more distance. So I switched back to my original ejector/trigger housing, but this made no difference in ejection. Total fired =150rds.

Over all the ejection was better this time out than last, but I believe this to be ammo related. The last time out I used Blazer CCI and Argulia, which are both rated for less than 850fps. The AE I used today is rated for 890fps (which is closer to SD ammo velocity). I am up to 500rds now through my G21 with no failures, just weak/erratic ejection.

Next step. I am going to polish top and bottom of extractor and file down the shoulder and see how that runs. I am also going to buy a new RSA for it. Im thinking the RSA maybe the problem, it does seem a little hevy when I rack the slide. I did experience this problem with the new updated RSA's for the G19 G4's. I got the 2 new RSA from Glock, 1 for my g4 19, and 1 for my wifes g4 19. When I installed the new RSA's in th G19's there was a very noticeable difference in the resistence when racking the slides side by side. The 19 with the harder to rack slide did exhibit weak ejection patterns while the lighter sprung 19 did not. Replaced the harder RSA with a new one that felt like the other 19's and the weak ejection pattern dissapeared. So, yes, it is possible the G4 RSA's are coming from the factory with different lb rating (most likely a QC issue).

On another note, Is there anyone here from NJ that goes to Cherry Ridge range and owns a good ejecting G21 Gen4? I would like to compare side by side, maybe swap uppers to see if the problem is in the upper or the frame of the pistol.

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Old 08-16-2012, 17:19   #55
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I was showing you and the rest of the it might be this and not the gun people that the problem is real. That it's the gun and not a ricochet.
Still not the OP's gun.
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Old 08-16-2012, 17:55   #56
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Still not the OP's gun.
Obviously you don't get my point.

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Old 08-16-2012, 18:13   #57
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Just tooling around over at glockparts.com i noticed white defense makes a 20% heavier extractor plunger spring for the G21. I ordered 1 and will give that a try with my polished extractor and new RSA.

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Old 08-16-2012, 18:21   #58
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Slightly off topic but how do you like your xs sights?


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Andy,

Sorry it took so long to reply. I have XS Big Dots on one Glock (my primary HD G23 G4) and I really like them. That said, all my other Glocks (4) have TRUGLO TFO's, and I love them too.

XS seem a tad faster, but not much.
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Old 08-16-2012, 18:32   #59
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What # is on your extractor?

If you meant the ejector, it is #8196-2

I'll take the slide apart this weekend if you're looking for a number on the extractor when I clean it.

Let me know.
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If you meant the ejector, it is #8196-2

I'll take the slide apart this weekend if you're looking for a number on the extractor when I clean it.

Let me know.
Yes, im looking for the extractor #
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Old 08-16-2012, 20:53   #61
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Yes, im looking for the extractor #
Okay. I'll post it tomorrow or Saturday.
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Old 08-17-2012, 21:18   #62
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Yes, im looking for the extractor #
Diamond,

There aren't any numbers on the stock Glock extractors. I cleaned my 23, 19, 26, and 21, and none had numbers. All were stock.

Anyway, while there were fewer poor ejections, the issue has not been totally resolved. I am still getting a couple ejects to the forearms or head per magazine.

Did you solve your issue? I am not happy with Glock. I tried two different FMJ loads and Federal Tactical HST's, all had poor ejections.
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Old 08-18-2012, 00:36   #63
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Diamond,

There aren't any numbers on the stock Glock extractors. I cleaned my 23, 19, 26, and 21, and none had numbers. All were stock.

Anyway, while there were fewer poor ejections, the issue has not been totally resolved. I am still getting a couple ejects to the forearms or head per magazine.

Did you solve your issue? I am not happy with Glock. I tried two different FMJ loads and Federal Tactical HST's, all had poor ejections.
Buzz,

All stock Glock extractors have #'s on them. You will find the # on the G21 stamped on the inside bridge of the extractor. The 19, 26, 23 will have the # on the round part of the extractor.

Anyway, No I did not resolve my problem. Read post #54 above for the run down.

I do have a couple more tricks up my sleeve. I ordered a new RSA, a new heavier extractor plunger spring, And I polished my current extractor. I will be testing after next week, 1 part at a time to see what makes a difference.

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Old 08-18-2012, 03:52   #64
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I just can't get my mind wrapped around the idea that this is an ammo issue only. I mean, I have fired thousands of rounds of the PMC 230 grain stuff through my Colt Combat Commanders without issue. I have also fired the aluminum cased CCI Blazer through a Gen 2 G21 I had with no issues. I wish I still had that gun.

I hope your problem gets resolved. You might want to call Glock about a replacement RSA. I called then the other day about a replacement RSA for my G20 and they sent it to me without a problem. The first question they asked was, "Is it a Gen 4?" Anyway, it might save you a few $$.

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All stock Glock extractors have #'s on them. You will find the # on the G21 stamped on the inside bridge of the extractor. The 19, 26, 23 will have the # on the round part of the extractor.

Is this it?



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Is this it?

If this is it, the number is two digits, "1?". I cannot tell what second digit is.

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It's probably a #1. I have the #1 as does the guy who started the other thread about G21 erratic ejection. I would like to get a #6. Someone mentioned perfect ejection in theirs and they have a #6.

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I just can't get my mind wrapped around the idea that this is an ammo issue only. I mean, I have fired thousands of rounds of the PMC 230 grain stuff through my Colt Combat Commanders without issue. I have also fired the aluminum cased CCI Blazer through a Gen 2 G21 I had with no issues. I wish I still had that gun.

I hope your problem gets resolved. You might want to call Glock about a replacement RSA. I called then the other day about a replacement RSA for my G20 and they sent it to me without a problem. The first question they asked was, "Is it a Gen 4?" Anyway, it might save you a few $$.

Good luck!
Thanks for the suggestion. I am calling them Monday morning anyway, and may ask for another RSA as well as a new extractor.

After reading a lot of other posts in different threads, I came across the idea that maybe it was an issue with brass ammo, since every Glock I've bought new came with the test rounds and they were aluminium. I also read that one poster said his issue didn't happen with steel or aluminum ammo, only brass. Plus, Glock rep told me they had run five mags through my gun.

So I decide to dump $40 on a box of CCI Blazer and Tula steel ammo, both 230 FMJ. I just got back from the range...no difference! This was shocking. I am still getting at least two cases to the head per mag, and I was only loading 10 rounds per mag (I have 5 mags and wanted to compare results).

Totally frustrates me. Either Glock is lying about testing the gun or there is a magic force field in their Smyrna plant where ever gun shoots perfectly.

On a side note, when I went to the range yesterday with my daughter, I was shooting about 6 feet to her left and I was getting pelted by brass from my Ruger Mk 3, 22-45, shooting cheap Federal bulk rounds.

What's Up, Glock???
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Thanks for the suggestion. I am calling them Monday morning anyway, and may ask for another RSA as well as a new extractor.

After reading a lot of other posts in different threads, I came across the idea that maybe it was an issue with brass ammo, since every Glock I've bought new came with the test rounds and they were aluminium. I also read that one poster said his issue didn't happen with steel or aluminum ammo, only brass. Plus, Glock rep told me they had run five mags through my gun.

So I decide to dump $40 on a box of CCI Blazer and Tula steel ammo, both 230 FMJ. I just got back from the range...no difference! This was shocking. I am still getting at least two cases to the head per mag, and I was only loading 10 rounds per mag (I have 5 mags and wanted to compare results).

Totally frustrates me. Either Glock is lying about testing the gun or there is a magic force field in their Smyrna plant where ever gun shoots perfectly.

On a side note, when I went to the range yesterday with my daughter, I was shooting about 6 feet to her left and I was getting pelted by brass from my Ruger Mk 3, 22-45, shooting cheap Federal bulk rounds.

What's Up, Glock???
That was me, I had a video of it up as well(shooting tula from my 19).
It did for whatever reason eject steel and aluminum just about 100% perfect(maybe extractor got a better hold?) when it was ejecting brass to the left or 6:00.
My 19 was also sent to glock, they replaced extractor and the trigger bar as well(few other things also). It's better with the new extractor, I haven't tried it with the trigger bar they put in it though since I put a 17 smooth face trigger in mine before I shot it. So far its been quite a bit better, but not perfect.
I realize were talking 2 different calibers, but I'm sure the root cause is the same.
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It's probably a #1. I have the #1 as does the guy who started the other thread about G21 erratic ejection. I would like to get a #6. Someone mentioned perfect ejection in theirs and they have a #6.

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It was me--I have the #6 extractor on mine, and it ejects everything fine unless I don't put enough powder in my loads. Then it's running like some of the G19 Gen4 pistols I read about here, where the brass just kind of dribbles out of the ejection port.
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It was me--I have the #6 extractor on mine, and it ejects everything fine unless I don't put enough powder in my loads. Then it's running like some of the G19 Gen4 pistols I read about here, where the brass just kind of dribbles out of the ejection port.
Beanie, did the #6 extractor come stock in your pistol?

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Update: Just got off the phone with Glock. No matter what I said, they will not send me a new extractor. I don't know of any local armorers, so I said screw it and they are sending me a mailing label for the pistol.

I am definately getting rid of this pistol but will fix it first, as I will not sell a broke weapon.

So, anyone in South TX looking for an almost new G21 Gen 4 w/ TRUGLO TFO's, case, & 5 mags for $600?

It will probably be available in September...when it comes back from Glock





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Update: Just got off the phone with Glock. No matter what I said, they will not send me a new extractor. I don't know of any local armorers, so I said screw it and they are sending me a mailing label for the pistol.

I am definately getting rid of this pistol but will fix it first, as I will not sell a broke weapon.

So, anyone in South TX looking for an almost new G21 Gen 4 w/ TRUGLO TFO's, case, & 5 mags for $600?

It will probably be available in September...when it comes back from Glock





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I just bought an M&P45 full size, along with 3 other M&Ps. My favorite is the full size 45, you don't have to worry about BTF with it either... Might want to consider one, they're amazing!
I may. My next .45 will be a Ruger SR1911 I think.

Buying Glocks has kinda been against the grain. I'm really a "Made in the USA" kinda guy. Hard to do with clothes and electronics, but I try everywhere else.

I was thinking M&P's were made in Germany by Walter. Is that right?

My daughter (20) was shooting the 19 for the first time this weekend and she had a problem with the grip (she has tiny hands).

After watching Hickok45 video yesterday, I'm now looking at the Ruger SR9C for her. He really liked it, and I trust his videos a lot.


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