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Old 08-01-2012, 15:54   #1
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South Beach, FL: No Gun at 'Batman' Causes Stir

What's the problem...? it's not like he screamed "FIRE" at a crowded movie theater.

The guy was originally seated at the back of the theater. He later got up and went up and down the stairways several times before getting into an argument with another moviegoer.

He then left the theater only to return later wearing gloves. When he started yelling out "THIS IS IT" from the back of the room, the theater emptied out rather quickly.


Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/t...#ixzz22Kk63tXi
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Old 08-01-2012, 17:17   #2
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Wow. I've been to that theater before.
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Old 08-01-2012, 18:42   #3
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Good post...
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Old 08-01-2012, 18:47   #4
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If a frightened CHLer had shot the dude, I would be interested to see how that played out in the media and the courts.
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Old 08-01-2012, 19:01   #5
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Wow. I've been to that theater before.
To cement the OP - Carry Issue nexus, let me ask:

1. Is this FL county "CCW" issuance friendly?
2. Are there any "Guns Prohibited" signs at the theater?
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Old 08-01-2012, 19:33   #6
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pretty silly that this caused a panic.


a person is smart, people are dumb, panicky dangerous animals
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Old 08-01-2012, 19:38   #7
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To cement the OP - Carry Issue nexus, let me ask:

1. Is this FL county "CCW" issuance friendly?
2. Are there any "Guns Prohibited" signs at the theater?
Licenses are issued at the state level. Florida was sort of a bit earlier than some of the other "shall issue" states.
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Old 08-01-2012, 21:24   #8
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pretty silly that this caused a panic.


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Old 08-02-2012, 01:24   #9
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Alright, Tommy Lee...
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Old 08-02-2012, 02:52   #10
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pretty silly that this caused a panic.


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Without asking questions that would make Russ upset with me, I'll simply pose this question: was there a recent event in a theater that made national headlines and resulted in the death of 12 people and the injuries of several dozen more? Yeah, I can't imagine why people might be on edge in theaters right now, especially if a jerkoff is causing problems and acts in the manner described in the article.
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Old 08-02-2012, 04:01   #11
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Without asking questions that would make Russ upset with me, I'll simply pose this question: was there a recent event in a theater that made national headlines and resulted in the death of 12 people and the injuries of several dozen more? Yeah, I can't imagine why people might be on edge in theaters right now, especially if a jerkoff is causing problems and acts in the manner described in the article.

well gosh, aren't you just a paradigm of self control.

if someone started yelling in a movie you were in would you panic and run for the door?

yeah, me neither.
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Old 08-02-2012, 06:59   #12
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Woah! Uncle Festus gone Jack Nicholson in The Shining crazy...
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If a frightened CHLer had shot the dude, I would be interested to see how that played out in the media and the courts.
I'd say it would not be pretty. Despite the mug shot, there was no immediate or unavoidable danger of death or grievous bodily harm. According to Massad Ayoob's all-states rule:
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To cement the OP - Carry Issue nexus, let me ask:

1. Is this FL county "CCW" issuance friendly?
2. Are there any "Guns Prohibited" signs at the theater?
No guns signs do not have force of law in FL so this becomes more a matter of respecting the property owner's right to control his property than a matter of law. It may well become a trespass issue once a carrier is asked to leave, however.
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Old 08-02-2012, 07:07   #13
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Everyone needs to read this.

For some, it will be new information.

For others, it will be a reminder.

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Balancing Dangers: an Interview with John Farnam

http://armedcitizensnetwork.org/images/stories/Network_2012-2.pdf[/B]
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Old 08-02-2012, 07:30   #14
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Without asking questions that would make Russ upset with me, I'll simply pose this question: was there a recent event in a theater that made national headlines and resulted in the death of 12 people and the injuries of several dozen more? Yeah, I can't imagine why people might be on edge in theaters right now, especially if a jerkoff is causing problems and acts in the manner described in the article.
You got it right. The only problem is that with reference to the OP, being right is not at issue. The OP wants to whine about the refusal of the vast majority of Americans to embrace a mythical wild west social structure. The OP is afraid that the recent mass killing in Co. will lead to the restriction of the 2nd Amendment and other attendant rights such as cc, etc. He pretends that the people in the theater incident he referenced acted inappropriately. And everyone is supposed to assume that had he been present, he would have immediately popped rounds at perceived threats as he bravely stood his ground. Yeh. Assuming that they did not shoot him down, wonder what he would have been thinking/saying as the police cuffed him and took him off to jail? Oh yeh... he'd be saying, "I was standing my ground!" Yeh.
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Old 08-02-2012, 07:34   #15
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If a frightened CHLer had shot the dude, I would be interested to see how that played out in the media and the courts.
Then he would be arrested & charged & put through the ringer. "frightened" is not a situation you can use your gun by FL statutes.

What I don't get is the bond is reported at $8K..the charge is disorderly conduct? That makes zero sense.
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Old 08-02-2012, 08:03   #16
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To cement the OP - Carry Issue nexus, let me ask:

1. Is this FL county "CCW" issuance friendly?
Its about as unfriendly to the 2A as you'll get in Florida. However, thanks to Governor Skeletor, we have laws prohibiting them from legislating their disrespect for our right to bear arms.

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Most have them. None carry criminal penalties. But they can tell you to leave and you must leave, of course.

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Old 08-02-2012, 10:40   #17
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You got it right.
  • The only problem is that with reference to the OP, being right is not at issue.

  • The OP wants to whine about the refusal of the vast majority of Americans to embrace a mythical wild west social structure.

  • The OP is afraid that the recent mass killing in Co. will lead to the restriction of the 2nd Amendment and other attendant rights such as cc, etc.

  • He pretends that the people in the theater incident he referenced acted inappropriately.

  • And everyone is supposed to assume that had he been present, he would have immediately popped rounds at perceived threats as he bravely stood his ground.

  • Yeh.

  • Assuming that they did not shoot him down, wonder what he would have been thinking/saying as the police cuffed him and took him off to jail?

  • Oh yeh... he'd be saying, "I was standing my ground!" Yeh.
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What's the problem...? it's not like he screamed "FIRE" at a crowded movie theater.

The guy was originally seated at the back of the theater. He later got up and went up and down the stairways several times before getting into an argument with another moviegoer.

He then left the theater only to return later wearing gloves. When he started yelling out "THIS IS IT" from the back of the room, the theater emptied out rather quickly.


Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/t...#ixzz22Kk63tXi
How'd you do that?
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Old 08-02-2012, 15:21   #18
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Not only do we need to ban guns. . We also need to ban no guns. . . Or something like that. . .
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Old 08-02-2012, 15:27   #19
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How about we simply beat anyone stupid enough to imply that they are going to start shooting people in a theater just weeks after a crazed killer actually did it.

Honestly, anyone who defends Uncle Festus' actions in the South Beach theater is a troll. Because it's indefensible by any reasonable person.
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