[SPDSNYPR]

I think this whole thread falls under the "you can only reason with reasonable people" deal. Nothing about this thread has changed my opinion of the guy in the video. I do find it interesting that he seems to think that because we in general think he's a chode, that we are bad cops / don't recognize that there are some bad cops/ support bad coppage in general. I also sense a bit of entitlement because he was a military vet - because no cops here or anywhere else served or anthing. A little bit of a logic fail there. It's still funny to what lengths he will go just to start trouble. I bet his little project was expensive.

I'm not sure if I can call him a dumb-ass now that he's a member, so I won't.

[VAPA-Rick]

Originally Posted by PuroMexicano

I don't know why I get the feeling that you carry a concealed firearm without a License in a state where it is required...

Don't trust those feelings, they're often off.

[PuroMexicano]

One question and one comment:

Question: Do you know by heart all the laws and ordinances of your state? If not, how can you determine if a stop is unlawful?

Comment: Let me tell you that the level of armoring in your vehicle is no match for bullets fired from high powered rifles fired by police officers defending themselves when assaulted by you thinking that you are defending yourself from unlawful arrests. And I know about bullets vs armor.

[11A]

You keep saying that what we are telling you is illegal, but what we are giving you is the law. Just because it's not what you want to hear doesn't make it illegal. Also, using extremes ( a police officer taking a female into the woods to "examine") is getting old. We give you our answer based on applicable law and then you throw out examples tha are clearly outside of othe discussion and blatantly illegal.

[lpo]

Originally Posted by 11A

You keep saying that what we are telling you is illegal, but what we are giving you is the law. Just because it's not what you want to hear doesn't make it illegal. Also, using extremes ( a police officer taking a female into the woods to "examine") is getting old. We give you our answer based on applicable law and then you throw out examples tha are clearly outside of othe discussion and blatantly illegal.

That's why I asked if his Wife new what he was espousing. Surely a Lawyer would take a step back and say, "wait....what?!"

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[TBO]

Originally Posted by VAPA-Rick

This is a great question. I don't have time to give my opinion right now, but I will. Thanks for bringing it up.

What does the Constitution say on this matter?

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[Nanuk]

How many people are in your organization? You never responded last time you were asked.

You like to bait cops and love the attention. It sounds as if you have more money than common sense. If I stopped you on a traffic stop,you can be assured its a legal stop. If you pull up to a BP checkpoint, it is a legal stop.

At least you are smart and used Spectra for your armor, since it breaks down in heat and humidity and there is none of that near a black car in Texas.

You obviously have a problem with authority and my guess is your time as an army cook did not go well for you.

[VAPA-Rick]

Originally Posted by SPDSNYPR

I think this whole thread falls under the "you can only reason with reasonable people" deal. Nothing about this thread has changed my opinion of the guy in the video.

All those facts and statements are so pointless. I hear ya.

Originally Posted by SPDSNYPR

I do find it interesting that he seems to think that because we in general think he's a chode, that we are bad cops / don't recognize that there are some bad cops/ support bad coppage in general.

Seems to think? I posted her in response to cops saying they'd like to arrest me, tow my car, and stating that I was going to be the next movie theater shooting spree nut, simply because they saw a video where I demo'd technologies to protect yourself against those cops who do break the law.

I couldn't care less if you think I'm a chode or not.

Originally Posted by SPDSNYPR

I also sense a bit of entitlement because he was a military vet - because no cops here or anywhere else served or anthing. A little bit of a logic fail there.

The Miss Cleo with this one is strong. He can sense what I think, and his crystal ball tells him how I feel. Convenient, since no evidence is required.

Originally Posted by SPDSNYPR

It's still funny to what lengths he will go just to start trouble. I bet his little project was expensive.

I'm not sure if I can call him a dumb-ass now that he's a member, so I won't.

Great.

[VAPA-Rick]

Originally Posted by PuroMexicano

One question and one comment:

Question: Do you know by heart all the laws and ordinances of your state? If not, how can you determine if a stop is unlawful?

Nope. Guess I'll have to make decisions based on what I know, and what I can prove, and give the cop the benefit of the doubt when I don't know, and can't prove.

But of course I hope any interactions I have with LEO are run of the mill lawful interactions.

Originally Posted by SPDSNYPR

Comment: Let me tell you that the level of armoring in your vehicle is no match for bullets fired from high powered rifles fired by police officers defending themselves when assaulted by you thinking that you are defending yourself from unlawful arrests. And I know about bullets vs armor.

Thanks.

[VAPA-Rick]

Originally Posted by 11A

You keep saying that what we are telling you is illegal, but what we are giving you is the law. Just because it's not what you want to hear doesn't make it illegal. Also, using extremes ( a police officer taking a female into the woods to "examine") is getting old. We give you our answer based on applicable law and then you throw out examples tha are clearly outside of othe discussion and blatantly illegal.

Oh, I see. Got an example of what you have told me, that I have disagreed with, that you have backed up with the law?

[VAPA-Rick]

Originally Posted by lpo

That's why I asked if his Wife new what he was espousing. Surely a Lawyer would take a step back and say, "wait....what?!"

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Interesting point. Maybe you're wrong? Or maybe she doesn't agree with me? Or maybe she's just not a very good lawyer?

Man, who knows.

[CJStudent]

Rick, I'm going to put it in simple terms. The place to argue the legality of an arrest is in court, NOT on the side of the road. If you resist on the side of the road, you'll just add charges that WILL stick, regardless of how illegal you feel the arrest was. Just some friendly advice.

[VAPA-Rick]

Originally Posted by Nanuk

How many people are in your organization? You never responded last time you were asked.

Good observation. Irrelevant to the topic.

Originally Posted by Nanuk

You like to bait cops and love the attention.

Is there a seance going on in here? So many Miss Cleos that can divine intentions and actions. Do I need to be paying a 900 number charge?

Originally Posted by Nanuk

It sounds as if you have more money than common sense. If I stopped you on a traffic stop,you can be assured its a legal stop. If you pull up to a BP checkpoint, it is a legal stop.

Good to hear that if you pull me over, it will be lawfully. Agreed, a checkpoint "stop" is also lawful as the SCOTUS has made clear, though they recognized that normally that would be a violation of the 4th Amendment, because the stop does not require any reasonable suspicion for any crime....but they allowed it, and gave it strict operating limitations to keep it within the lines of the Fourth.

Originally Posted by Nanuk

At least you are smart and used Spectra for your armor, since it breaks down in heat and humidity and there is none of that near a black car in Texas.

You obviously have a problem with authority and my guess is your time as an army cook did not go well for you.

Cute. More Miss Cleo. Or are you the chick with the third nipple from Mall Rats? I guess it doesn't matter...

[SPDSNYPR]

Uh - that quote a few posts back at the bottom of #109 - I don't recall ever saying that. Where did you come up with that?

Anyway - why are we feeding this troll anyway? He didn't come to glock talk to talk about glocks. He came here to start **** with cops on this forum. I'm losing the precious few IQ points I have trying to follow his selve-serving, paranoid "reasoning."

[VAPA-Rick]

Originally Posted by CJStudent

Rick, I'm going to put it in simple terms. The place to argue the legality of an arrest is in court, NOT on the side of the road. If you resist on the side of the road, you'll just add charges that WILL stick, regardless of how illegal you feel the arrest was. Just some friendly advice.

I see, so if a cop unlawfully pulls me over, says, "I pulled you over because I'm going to handcuff and arrest you, and then anally rape you, get out of the vehicle..." and you resist arrest, those charges will stick.

Thanks for the advice. It was worth every penny.

[lpo]

Originally Posted by VAPA-Rick

Interesting point. Maybe you're wrong? Or maybe she doesn't agree with me? Or maybe she's just not a very good lawyer?

Man, who knows.

Hey, I've been wrong once before. I can handle. I was genuinly wondering. Believe it or not, I am seriously concerned.

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[CJStudent]

Originally Posted by VAPA-Rick

I see, so if a cop unlawfully pulls me over, says, "I pulled you over because I'm going to handcuff and arrest you, and then anally rape you, get out of the vehicle..." and you resist arrest, those charges will stick.

Thanks for the advice. It was worth every penny.

Where the hell do you get that this happens? Do you really expect that, or are you just playing to get a reaction?

[PuroMexicano]

Originally Posted by VAPA-Rick

Nope. Guess I'll have to make decisions based on what I know, and what I can prove, and give the cop the benefit of the doubt when I don't know, and can't prove.

But of course I hope any interactions I have with LEO are run of the mill lawful interactions.



Thanks.

Man, let me tell you, you just threw away thousands of dollars in your impenetrable fortress.

Many cops here can get you out of the car in 3 minutes or less with laws and ordinances that you've faulted and ignore, without you thinking you're being unlawfully detained and while playing the "MEOW" game with their partner. I can guarantee you that right meow.

[PuroMexicano]

Originally Posted by SPDSNYPR

Uh - that quote a few posts back at the bottom of #109 - I don't recall ever saying that. Where did you come up with that?

Anyway - why are we feeding this troll anyway? He didn't come to glock talk to talk about glocks. He came here to start **** with cops on this forum. I'm losing the precious few IQ points I have trying to follow his selve-serving, paranoid "reasoning."

He quoted my post with your nick, dunno what happened.

Man, have fun, we all are!!

[SPDSNYPR]

PLEASE READ THIS VAPA

You're clearly in violation of this, so could you please do everyone a favor and just piss off. Go polish your psycho-wagon and just leave us alone. You're not intersted in hearing opinions or learning anything. Go make your fortune while you still know everything. But do it away from here. You've worn out your novelty.

[Rabbi]

I just want in on this. I look forward to hearing about tactical wheelbarrows and an arrest.

[VAPA-Rick]

Originally Posted by SPDSNYPR

Anyway - why are we feeding this troll anyway? He didn't come to glock talk to talk about glocks. He came here to start **** with cops on this forum. I'm losing the precious few IQ points I have trying to follow his selve-serving, paranoid "reasoning."

Wrong as usual. I came here not to start anything with cops, but to defend their insinuations that they started about me.

Glocks? I own several. Only handgun I've ever owned.

Definitely preserve those points.

[VAPA-Rick]

Originally Posted by CJStudent

Where the hell do you get that this happens? Do you really expect that, or are you just playing to get a reaction?

It's a hypothetical (and rape has certainly occurred like this, in fact not very long ago), for the consideration of those who claim that right or wrong, lawful or not, you MUST obey the orders and not resist arrest from a cop, even when he is breaking the law.

Ridiculous isn't it? Yes, because the claim is ridiculous, not in accordance with the law, and is just as un-American a thought as a person could ever hold in their un-American head.

[VAPA-Rick]

Originally Posted by PuroMexicano

Man, let me tell you, you just threw away thousands of dollars in your impenetrable fortress.

Many cops here can get you out of the car in 3 minutes or less with laws and ordinances that you've faulted and ignore, without you thinking you're being unlawfully detained and while playing the "MEOW" game with their partner. I can guarantee you that right meow.

Man, thanks for the fortune telling. Can I have my palm back?

[VAPA-Rick]

Originally Posted by SPDSNYPR

PLEASE READ THIS VAPA

You're clearly in violation of this, so could you please do everyone a favor and just piss off. Go polish your psycho-wagon and just leave us alone. You're not intersted in hearing opinions or learning anything. Go make your fortune while you still know everything. But do it away from here. You've worn out your novelty.

I see, according to your link:

Folks, I did not create this forum...to question the morality or legality of their [cop] practices. You might have a burning need to do so, but this is not the place for it.

Well we can't be talking about the legality of our armed public servants now can we? Even when they claim that a person they don't know is one step from shooting people up in a movie theater.

But I'm not talking about cop practices, I'm talking about why I have the car that I have, and refuting the idea that having it means that I'm crazy, or a nutjob, or don't have a job, or any of the other silly accusations that have been lobbed at me.

Any other statements I have made, have been responses to others.