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Old 07-27-2012, 16:57   #1
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Anybody know much about the Veteran's Administration Police? I know it's a lot of hospital security type work, but does anybody have any insight as to the day to day work?
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Old 07-27-2012, 18:25   #2
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Are they still unarmed in some or most facilities? I do know that they aren't part of the Fed LERS and that is a huge drawback for many.
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Old 07-27-2012, 18:48   #3
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Are they still unarmed in some or most facilities? I do know that they aren't part of the Fed LERS and that is a huge drawback for many.
They are armed (Beretta 92Ds) in every location; that went through a few years ago. I think they changed to be part of LERS around the same time, but I could be wrong on that.
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Old 07-27-2012, 19:15   #4
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They are armed.

I had one stop me one night from leaving since it took them so long to find a doctor. I insisted on leaving but this VA Cop was bigger and armed. It turned out to be a case of mistaken identity. He was supposed to stop a psych case, who was able to slip through. Cop apologized. No biggie.

I've been treated at 6 VA facilities. They've all been armed.
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They are armed.

I had one stop me one night from leaving since it took them so long to find a doctor. I insisted on leaving but this VA Cop was bigger and armed. It turned out to be a case of mistaken identity. He was supposed to stop a psych case, who was able to slip through. Cop apologized. No biggie.

I've been treated at 6 VA facilities. They've all been armed.
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Old 07-27-2012, 20:36   #6
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All will be armed with the 92D's, pay will be decent,benefits are top notch, morale is terrible. If you want to "police" then find another job. Paperwork sucks, Lt's and above will have their head up their ass so far you don't even want to speak to them. You will not be covered under LEOSA. You might get average training and classes, just depends on your command. Budgets are spent on neat stuff your chief will not let you touch. I think you get the idea. If you need a job go for it, if your looking for a better LE job then keep looking, unless things are really bad.
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Old 07-27-2012, 20:42   #7
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All will be armed with the 92D's, pay will be decent,benefits are top notch, morale is terrible. If you want to "police" then find another job. Paperwork sucks, Lt's and above will have their head up their ass so far you don't even want to speak to them. You will not be covered under LEOSA. You might get average training and classes, just depends on your command. Budgets are spent on neat stuff your chief will not let you touch. I think you get the idea. If you need a job go for it, if your looking for a better LE job then keep looking, unless things are really bad.
Thanks. I'm a federal correctional officer currently, at GL-07 paygrade (one above the entry-level VA police officer position), but looking at the possibility of getting out of the fence.

ETA: We're covered by LEOSA; how the heck are VA Police not covered? They have statutory powers of arrest, and carry weapons.
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Thanks. I'm a federal correctional officer currently, at GL-07 paygrade (one above the entry-level VA police officer position), but looking at the possibility of getting out of the fence.

ETA: We're covered by LEOSA; how the heck are VA Police not covered? They have statutory powers of arrest, and carry weapons.
The VA Police itself was an oddball agency. They could be armed, but the facility administrator had to approve it and as a result, many officers carried only Mace at one time. They weren't part of LERS either. They were frankly treated like security guards, because they were initially only a guard force and they were specifically exempted by USC from Federal LE benefits.
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The VA Police itself was an oddball agency. They could be armed, but the facility administrator had to approve it and as a result, many officers carried only Mace at one time. They weren't part of LERS either. They were frankly treated like security guards, because they were initially only a guard force and they were specifically exempted by USC from Federal LE benefits.
Wow. I know a lot got changed around 2001 or so; I'll have to look into that now.
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I called a Fed buddy and neither the VA Police, nor the Pentagon Force Protection Agency, are covered by LERS. There was legislation in Congress to change that, but it went no where.
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Here is the legislation that since 2005, has been trying to get the PFPA and them under LERS.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr327
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I called a Fed buddy and neither the VA Police, nor the Pentagon Force Protection Agency, are covered by LERS. There was legislation in Congress to change that, but it went no where.
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Here is the legislation that since 2005, has been trying to get the PFPA and them under LERS.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr327
Thanks; I appreciate it. I just think it's crazy that we as COs get it, but they don't. They have a LOT broader authority than we do.
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Old 07-27-2012, 21:26   #13
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Check with the Dept's of the Air Force and the Navy. They are both hiring civilian police officers.
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Check with the Dept's of the Air Force and the Navy. They are both hiring civilian police officers.
I shall. I just saw a closer opening with VA Police than USAF or USN. Plus, most USAF and USN openings are VRA only, and (even though I'm working on 7 years ARNG) I'm not eligible for those the last time I checked. My only active-duty time was for training and two weeks of federal disaster relief. The rest was state active duty.
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I dont know what things are like at your current job but VA Police really isn't a bad gig if you don't mind being treated like security all the time.
You'll do things like drive a shuttle bus around, do a billion security checks in one day, write about 10 parking tickets that you have no idea where they go and what they do, close off and open parking areas, unlock doors for people and get yelled at because your chief was supposed to have told you to unlock it earlier, escort granny to the bathroom, & etc

You will get into a fight about once a month, a foot chase once a month, get threatened daily, watch a lot of security cameras and not believe what some idiot did in front of them, get asked to lunch by some very PHAT lady friends, do at least one veh vs parked veh case a day, and think about your next job every minute your at work.
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I dont know what things are like at your current job but VA Police really isn't a bad gig if you don't mind being treated like security all the time.
You'll do things like drive a shuttle bus around, do a billion security checks in one day, write about 10 parking tickets that you have no idea where they go and what they do, close off and open parking areas, unlock doors for people and get yelled at because your chief was supposed to have told you to unlock it earlier, escort granny to the bathroom, & etc

You will get into a fight about once a month, a foot chase once a month, get threatened daily, watch a lot of security cameras and not believe what some idiot did in front of them, get asked to lunch by some very PHAT lady friends, do at least one veh vs parked veh case a day, and think about your next job every minute your at work.
Sounds like you have some insider perspective there, lol.
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You will not be covered under LEOSA.
That is incorrect.

VA Police are covered. I know that for a fact due to one my AF buddies is a Chief at a VA facilty.
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