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Old 07-24-2012, 12:54   #1
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Suspended and demoted.

The backstory - A PD sergeant is told to use a podium to give briefings and not simply sit at the head of a conference table as was the custom for decades. The podium is mechanically unstable. Only officers are present during the briefing [no citizens or non-police personnel are allowed to sit in them]

The rest is here for you to read. I'm certain that many will have opinions...


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Old 07-24-2012, 13:05   #2
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Based on what I'm guessing (less PC term for Mickey-Moused?) he said, it sounds like overwrought PC BS.

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Old 07-24-2012, 13:06   #3
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Ahhhh Chief Roy Minter........ My condolences to the department.
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Old 07-24-2012, 13:08   #4
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The root word is not acceptable. If he does not realize that by this time in history, he's not very bright, and it does not matter who the chief might be.
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Old 07-24-2012, 13:11   #5
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The root word is not acceptable. If he does not realize that by this time in history, he's not very bright, and it does not matter who the chief might be.
Agreed, but does it warrant a two week suspension without pay and a demotion?
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Old 07-24-2012, 13:14   #6
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Are we talking about a word that sounds racist but isn't and actually means "cheap"?
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Old 07-24-2012, 13:15   #7
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Dummy. Only a would use the term I suspect that he must have used in public to describe the shoddy craftsmanship. Everyone else knows you say "jerry rigged" instead in public nowadays. You can't defend or protect people who are just being completely stupid.
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Old 07-24-2012, 13:18   #8
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While I won't use the word - let's broadly interpret it as 'ghetto engineered'.
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Old 07-24-2012, 13:18   #9
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Are we talking about a word that sounds racist but isn't and actually means "cheap"?
I assumed he was using the other term I referenced in my post. If he was using the word you think he was, then he was using it wrong anyway. Double stupid points for him.
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Old 07-24-2012, 13:21   #10
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Agreed, but does it warrant a two week suspension without pay and a demotion?
I can't address that issue not knowing the history of the department's disciplinary process. As we both know, that is a critical component in such issues. If he faced disparate treatment, it is an issue. If this is their norm, I might think it too harsh, but it would not matter.
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The department can't leave him as a supervisor with a history (weak or not) of racial animus. They'd just be asking for subordinate officers who were minorities to line up to file grievance after grievance on him for perceived racial slights. It might be harsh, but unless you're just going to hide him away where he won't have any direct supervision over other officers, you'd never have a moments peace.
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Old 07-24-2012, 13:27   #12
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I can't address that issue not knowing the history of the department's disciplinary process. As we both know, that is a critical component in such issues. If he faced disparate treatment, it is an issue. If this is their norm, I might think it too harsh, but it would not matter.

They self-identify as using progressive discipline and only vary in the most egregious and/or exigent circumstances.
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Old 07-24-2012, 13:32   #13
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They self-identify as using progressive discipline and only vary in the most egregious and/or exigent circumstances.
As a retired cop, I think it too harsh. But Dukeboy01 is making an excellent point. Keeping him in a supervisory position is nearly impossible but demotion and two weeks seems excessive. How much did this cost if you know?
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Old 07-24-2012, 13:47   #14
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The root word is not acceptable. If he does not realize that by this time in history, he's not very bright, and it does not matter who the chief might be.
I agree that the root word is not acceptable.


The comment about their chief was made as a generalization. I've seen his work previously.
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Old 07-24-2012, 13:48   #15
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The proper term for something shoddy and useless would be "Admin rigged".

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I dunno. If he had used "jury-rigged," would we be ok with the implication he is familiar with rigged juries?

He'd probably have been better off with an actual obscenity than a racial epithet
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Old 07-24-2012, 14:08   #17
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as long as they demote and suspend black officers for using the same word.
its either right for everybody or wrong for everybody.
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Old 07-24-2012, 14:37   #18
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IMHO over done.

A few days off, some classes, and another chance.

I hear the Officers use much worst language at my work and other agencys, but everyone gets along with no issues.

99.9% of the time I watch what I say, and thats more than most I know. I could never say something that others had not said before and heard before.

Now if there had been verbal warnings, or past issues, then maybe the right call was made.
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Old 07-24-2012, 17:47   #19
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Good for him for ONLY getting a 2-week rip and a demotion.

In my old department...even THINKING the "n" word or other word that could be INTERPRETED as racist would most likely end in termination.

I , being of 75% irish heritage called my friend and colleague who is also from a large irish family, a "dumb paddy" one day and he called me a "mick bastard", and a female officer reported both of us for using a racial slur.

The ONLY way we got out of it was neither of us were "offended" by the other's remark, and we likened it to the way african american officers OFTEN called one another the "n-word" in the presense of other officers who were not african american and that WE felt discriminated against for not having the same rights as they did.

Yeah...stupid move Sarge...I mean...Patrolman. You SHOULDA known better. There are times to keep your pie hole SHUT.
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Old 07-24-2012, 18:15   #20
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Calling someone's mouth a "pie hole" is offensive to people on a low-carb diet. I'm making a complaint with some organization that has a lot of capital letters in its name.
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