[DoctaGlockta]

I can't help but feel that this door will be closing soon

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...LEFTTopStories

I'm really still amazed that one can get components and live ammunition delivered to ones doorstep.

I hope it continues but I just feel in my gut that once more of these nutjobs go out and shoot up public venues and have any amount of ammo, supplies that it will just fubar it for the rest of us responsible firearms owners/reloaders.

My prayers and thoughts go out to all the victims in this tragedy. I hope this is one isolated and rare incident - never to happen again.

[F106 Fan]

I think California has made at least 3 attempts (one successful but abandoned) over the years to register ammo sales. This will certainly increase the efforts.

There are two reasons this hasn't been implemented. First, the paperwork at the LGS. In the past it has simply been filed away at the LGS for the local law enforcement to query after the fact. Pretty useless. The second problem has been the enormity of the tracking process if the state actually received the paperwork. The better way to handle this is to have it entered directly into a database (similar to handgun purchases) but even that has a cost that California just can't afford. At the moment...

The last attempt came pretty close when the State wanted to register only handgun ammo (although the next time they will probably include rifle ammo). Through the efforts of Cheaper Than Dirt and a couple of other Internet sellers, the legistlation was blocked because it simply isn't possible to differentiate between rifle and handgun ammo. It is also difficult for a State to restrain trade in another state. But it's coming...

This last attempt also included Internet sales of components. That was really worrisome and probably unnecessary because, so far, reloaded ammo hasn't been a factor. I just don't see my local 'bangers getting into reloading when it's easier to just steal the stuff. Same with guns, for that matter.

As reloaders, we all probably have what the press would consider an obscene amount of ammo. I was just joking with my wife about whether the postal worker would be turning me in as he knows that he has delivered quite a bit of brass and lead. UPS certainly knows about the HazMat deliveries. It's no secret that reloaders deal in larger volumes.

Richard

[SARDG]

Originally Posted by DoctaGlockta

I can't help but feel that this door will be closing soon

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...LEFTTopStories

A lot of blame for ammo and firearm hysteria can be placed on the media who, in large part, base their "news" on cheap sensationalism and what will sell ratings, newspapers or magazines. They do precious little fact-checking and prefer rushing to release (if not create) breaking stories. Mentality is "if it bleeds, it leads".

I still take issue with the term 'Assault Rifle' as the military considers assault rifles having select-fire - which none of the recent nutjobs in history have had during these attacks. Thanks to the media, much of America sees or knows no difference between automatic and semi-automatic and the media uses the terms interchangeably.

Examples of continued misreporting; CBS had a copy of the mail-order receipt of recent items ordered from a 'tactical' dealer in Missouri. I paused the frame and read the description and stock number for "the shooter's bullet-proof vest". This is it (and the dealer):
http://tacticalgear.com/blackhawk-ur...FQbonAod_hAA4g



That vest would likely stop a BB - if the BB didn't hit the wearer in center-of-mass. Right this minute a Meet the Press guest is commenting on how unstopable the shooter would have been to SWAT if his weapon would not have jammed. I've heard this 'jam' story on many outlets - but still don't know if it was the AR and why he couldn't clear it. So far, I've heard nothing about any special tactical training he may have had so even clearing a malf could have been foreign to him.

I'm also still hearing 'tear gas' and remain skeptical. In Navy boot camp they didn't ask us we would like to go in a room filled with tear gas - they threw us in there. I remember tear gas as vaporized heavier particulates - as opposed to a gas. I suspect the tear gas was actually smoke - easily purchased or homemade.

The media also likes to create heroes where none may exist. Apparently, media outlets are obligated to spice these horror stories with a dash of 'feel-good'. Who among us doesn't like a happy ending to a story - or at least something upbeat?

[WiskyT]

I have seen several democrats state that there is no point in trying to use "gun control" to stop this kind of tragedy. I see no significant change in the way sales are conducted. The scumbag made bombs for crying out loud, are they going to ban the sale of bombs now?

What I don't like is that the shows I have seen have had politicians on to discuss ways to prevent mass shootings. What do politicians know about security? They know nothing and on both sides have essentially said that nothing can be done to prevent this kind of thing. That's BS. These can't be stopped with 100% certainty, but a lot can be done to prevent/limit them. This theater was wide open and they will be sued and loose due to their lack of basic security measures.

While this type of tragedy could not have been specifically predicted at this exact time and place, I can almost guarantee that any midnight event with thousands of people will have some fights or disturbances. That's why events hire off duty police for security. The local officials said that this theater typically hires OD LE for security, but didn't this time. WTF? $25/hr for an OD cop to stand in the lobby could have gone a long way to limit the time this guy had to continue his rampage.

He propped open the fire door to don his gear and get his guns. Why wasn't the door alarmed? You'd think the doors would be alarmed just to prevent freeloaders from sneaking their buddies in for a free movie. Go to most places and the fire doors have alarms on them that can only be shut off with a key. This theater cut corners.

And then there is the shooter himself. His own mother said she wasn't surprised by this. How many times do we find out that these lunatics have a long history of needing to be involuntarily commited (which would have prevented his legally buying the guns)? That POS that shot up Ft. Hood was known for advocating mass killings to fellow psychiatrists who reported his rants to superiors who passed it along to the FBI who busheled it all off.

We don't know enough about this particular event yet. But in most cases these things are preventable. It takes work that no one wants to bother with. It is foolish to have politicians on shows talking about how nothing can be done when there ARE things that can be done. Nothing is done proactively in this country anymore. All the task forces and government agencies, whether it is about security or medicine or airplane wings, are focused on coming in after the fact and writing a report.

[F106 Fan]

Originally Posted by SARDG

I still take issue with the term 'Assault Rifle' as the military considers assault rifles having select-fire - which none of the recent nutjobs in history have had during these attacks. Thanks to the media, much of America sees or knows no difference between automatic and semi-automatic and the media uses the terms interchangeably.

The State of California lists the AR-15 as a named assault rifle. There is a long list of specific weapons listed by name. When manufacturers renamed their rifles to avoid the ban, the State began categorizing the weapons based on characteristics like a bayonet lug and a flash suppressor. Lately it has gotten down to the issue of a fixed magazine or one that takes a tool to exchange. And then some company comes out with a magnetized 'tool' that can be permanently installed to defeat the original intent and now we have a new law coming to outlaw "conversion kits" which can include just about anything including the magnetic button. No doubt it will be passed next week!

The military definition is much different than the civilian version. Even the Feds used to consider the AR-15 as an assault rifle back when there was a Federal assault weapon ban.

I've heard this 'jam' story on many outlets - but still don't know if it was the AR and why he couldn't clear it. So far, I've heard nothing about any special tactical training he may have had so even clearing a malf could have been foreign to him.

I have read that he was using a 100 round drum magazine and these things are usually junk.

The media also likes to create heroes where none may exist. Apparently, media outlets are obligated to spice these horror stories with a dash of 'feel-good'. Who among us doesn't like a happy ending to a story - or at least something upbeat?

There was an article in one of the local (California) papers about how the AR-15 used in Colorado was illegal in California. It also compared registration and CCW issues. I guess it was intended to show that Californian's were 'safer' because these weapons were illegal. As you say, the media reports without facts. There are thousands of legally registered AR-15s and AK-47s in California. There are tens of thousands of 'button gun' clones and now even the 'button' feature can be overridden with a permanently installed magnetic 'tool'.

Richard

[SARDG]

Originally Posted by F106 Fan

The State of California lists the AR-15 as a named assault rifle...

The military definition is much different than the civilian version. Even the Feds used to consider the AR-15 as an assault rifle back when there was a Federal assault weapon ban.

And the Assault Weapons Ban includes items that have no effect on actual fire-power; folding stock, threaded barrel, grip, etc. The Feds just happily brought the 'Assault' term to their law - and so 'Assault Rifle' had officially entered or lexicon.

I have read that he was using a 100 round drum magazine and these things are usually junk.

He ordered and apparently carried several more multi-round mags in that vest (and probably pants). Why not drop the drum and continue?

[WiskyT]

He ordered and apparently carried several more multi-round mags in that vest (and probably pants). Why not drop the drum and continue?

Trying to explain any of the "why" involved in this is not really possible. From what I have read, he didn't even resist arrest.

[F106 Fan]

Originally Posted by SARDG

He ordered and apparently carried several more multi-round mags in that vest (and probably pants). Why not drop the drum and continue?

It does no good for those of us with military training or experience in competition to discuss how his procedures were deficient. It doesn't hurt to keep a low profile right about now.

Considering that every word typed on GlockTalk can be found with a Google search...

Richard

[SARDG]

Originally Posted by F106 Fan

It does no good for those of us with military training or experience in competition to discuss how his procedures were deficient. It doesn't hurt to keep a low profile right about now.

Considering that every word typed on GlockTalk can be found with a Google search...

Richard

Tru 'nuff. A responsible media should be asking intelligent questions though. I suppose it's too much to expect. As Wisky said, there are still miles to go in the investigation.

[XDRoX]

From what I hear on Calguns mail order ammo is and has been banned from certain cities for quite some time. Sacramento and LA city limits IIRC.

If they can ban it I don't see why others couldn't do it as well.

I do know that when I contacted AIM Surplus and told them I lived in CA, they told me they may not be able to ship me ammo and asked for my zip code. I told them, he checked it out, and said I was all good.

I still am surprised that I can get powder and primers delivered. My UPS guy has left powder on my doorstep many times. Boxes with over 10 pounds in it. And I live 8 houses up from an elementary school. Kids walk by my house to get to school.

[fredj338]

It will evenetually happen with the right liberals in place in govt, local or federal level. There is no 2A for reloading components or ammo. States or the Feds can "regulate" or tax at will. RIght now, there is just no politcal stomach for it. Fast & Furious was supposed to give the liberals the media blitz they needed for another attempt & banning "bad" guns. So now this happens instead. Just another reason to drag someone to the polls with you in Nov & vote the liberal morrons out. We all know what would have stopped said nut in the first 15sec & that isn't another antigun law that only affects the law abbiding. BTW, it is my understanding the theater policy was no guns inside, period. It's NOT a coincidence that these nut jobs go to schools or churches or a theater where legal ccw is restricted.

[Three-Five-Seven]

Why the hell would some some twenty something buy 6000 rounds of ammunition? I neither had the money, nor the time, nor the interest in my twenties to spend in the ways that these late adolescent bozos involved in the most recent mass shootings do.

Disaffected, late-teen-eartly-twenty-year-old MALEs who have developed a fetish for guns rather than pursuing girls, a career, an education, enough money to pay the bills, etc. etc. etc.

It has long been apparent that several such late adolescent fetishists inhabit sites like this one. One wonders what aid and support has come from sites like this for disaffected, young men whos' lives have come off the rails.

We have to deal with that. Us. Members of the shooting sports community.

If you are a late adolescent, and you're involved in the shooting sports, then you obviously NEED guns. If you're a video game hack with imaginings about the power that firearms will impart to you, then you might have the right to own a gun, but there is no compelling reason for you to do so. To what end?

It seems that it is not the liberals, the president, the Brady lobby, or average citizen who is impairing the freedoms of the rest of us. Rather, it is the disaffected twenty something males among us who make the compelling case that not everyone can be trusted with a gun. i.e. gun rights must be curtailed.

So, twenty something males should not be permitted to own firearms unless they are affiliated with a shooting sport community and have direct sponsorship from that community. In other words, members of a shooting sport community must attest that you are a good ol' boy in order for you to own firearms in your twenties.

This will preserve the second amendment, the freedoms that we presently enjoy, the vitality of the businesses that cater to shooters, the vitality of the shooting sports, and even the NRA.

It is time for shooters to chase the gun fetish whack-os away from here and from guns.

[michael e]

I hope not, my local shops are overpriced and limited selection.
It would cost me 2x the price to reload if had to buy local vs online, making 9mm pointless to load, and several others not much better.

[WiskyT]

Originally Posted by Three-Five-Seven

How the hell some some twenty something buy 6000 rounds of ammunition. I neither had the money, nor the time, nor the interest in my twenties to spend in the ways that these late adolescent bozos involved in the most recent mass shooting do.

Disaffected, late-teen-eartly-twenty-year-old MALEs who have developed a fetish for guns rather than pursuing girls, a career, an education, enough money to pay the bills, etc. etc. etc.

It has long been apparent that several such late adolescent fetishists inhabit sites like this one. One wonders what aid and support has come from sites like this for disaffected, young men who's life has come off the rails.

We have to deal with that. Us. Members of the shooting sports community.

If you are a late adolescent, and you're involved in the shooting sports, then you obviously NEED guns. If you're a video game hack with imaginings about the power that firearms will impart to you, then you might have the right to own a gun, but there is no compelling reason for you to do so. To what end?

It seems that it is not the liberals, the president, the Brady lobby, or average citizen who is impairing the freedoms of the rest of us. Rather, it is the disaffected twenty something males among us who make the compelling case that not everyone can be trusted with a gun. i.e. gun rights must be curtailed.

So, twenty something males should not be permitted to own firearms unless they are affiliated with a shooting sport community and have direct sponsorship from that community. In other words, members of a shooting sport community must attest that you are a good ol' boy in order for you to own firearms in your twenties.

This will preserve the second amendment, the freedoms that we presently enjoy, the vitality of the businesses that cater to shooters, and even the NRA.

It is time for shooters to chase the gun fetish whack-os away from here and from guns.

I couldn't agree less. We have psychiatrists, judges, prosecutors and cops for that. All of these people run around telling everyone what they are going to do and all the authorities do is figure that nothing will happen by 5 o'clock when they go home so they just overlook it.

And how do you determine what a fetish whacko is as a lay person? There are medical opinions for that stuff. Contacts of these people need to report them to the police. The police need to decide if there is a problem and have them transported to a facility. the facility needs to determine if they need to be commited, a judge has to approve the commitment. The problem is that every leg of this process is ****canned by people who have been trained to not do their jobs and who are hired due to their willingness to not do their job. Having non-qualified people do this won't solve anything.

It's a societal problem. Our society, as much as it cries and will send money, doesn't care one bit about this shooting as long as it's not "me". If people cared, they would demand that the system that is already in place do it's job.

I can tell you from first hand experience that I have brought in stark raving lunatics who HAD ACTED in a violent matter and they weren't even prosecuted criminally, the charges I signed were dismissed and the hospitals let them go without commitment. These individuals would pass a NICS check to this day.

[F106 Fan]

Originally Posted by WiskyT

I can tell you from first hand experience that I have brought in stark raving lunatics who HAD ACTED in a violent matter and they weren't even prosecuted criminally, the charges I signed were dismissed and the hospitals let them go without commitment. These individuals would pass a NICS check to this day.

About this there is no debate.

However, this fellow had NO interaction with the medical or law enforcement community. None! He WAS getting an education and working toward his future in a VERY high paying profession. Sure, he might have been withdrawn and stand-offish but gaining a PhD in neroscience doesn't leave a lot of time for chitchat. But he was on track...

And then his caboose jumped the track. Perhaps his oral comps didn't work out well. He was leaving the program and applying for a job as a technician. Something broke...

I don't think our knowledge of behavioral science has reached a level where it can pinpoint a potential problem from the few signs that were available. Why can't he buy firearms? Nothing wrong with that. He has no disqualifying indicators. And there are a bunch of us in California fighting to maintain the ability to order ammo and components over the Internet. So, why shouldn't he be allowed to do what we do? His age? So what if he has money...

I don't want our government using predictive science to single out individuals. Furthermore, not many of us over the age of 30 (when life experience begins to kick in) could pass an MMPI exam stark naked.

http://www.minddisorders.com/Kau-Nu/...Inventory.html

See what happens when you retire from one agency and then have to pass the MMPI to join another. It isn't always pretty!

I really believe that these events can be unpredictable. At some level of stress, everybody breaks.

Richard

[WiskyT]

Originally Posted by F106 Fan

About this there is no debate.

However, this fellow had NO interaction with the medical or law enforcement community. None! He WAS getting an education and working toward his future in a VERY high paying profession. Sure, he might have been withdrawn and stand-offish but gaining a PhD in neroscience doesn't leave a lot of time for chitchat. But he was on track...

And then his caboose jumped the track. Perhaps his oral comps didn't work out well. He was leaving the program and applying for a job as a technician. Something broke...

I don't think our knowledge of behavioral science has reached a level where it can pinpoint a potential problem from the few signs that were available. Why can't he buy firearms? Nothing wrong with that. He has no disqualifying indicators. And there are a bunch of us in California fighting to maintain the ability to order ammo and components over the Internet. So, why shouldn't he be allowed to do what we do? His age? So what if he has money...

I don't want our government using predictive science to single out individuals. Furthermore, not many of us over the age of 30 (when life experience begins to kick in) could pass an MMPI exam stark naked.

http://www.minddisorders.com/Kau-Nu/...Inventory.html

See what happens when you retire from one agency and then have to pass the MMPI to join another. It isn't always pretty!

I really believe that these events can be unpredictable. At some level of stress, everybody breaks.

Richard

I think what you're saying can be true, but that the overwhelming majority of these things ARE predictable. jared loughner was setting off alarms everywhere he went. He had five contacts with one college Pd for disturbances and the college demanded he receive a mental health clearance or withdraw from the school. He withdrew from the school. So that school new he was crackers, even his professors described him as "likely to commit a school shooting" and yet nothing was done.

That alqueda **** in Ft Hood made it as clear as possible to a military command structure that he was going to attack them.

We can't stop all of these, but we can sure stop most of them. By having security in place, the same security that most crowds have anyway, we can limit the effectiveness of the ones that slip through the cracks.

[F106 Fan]

Originally Posted by WiskyT

I think what you're saying can be true, but that the overwhelming majority of these things ARE predictable. jared loughner was setting off alarms everywhere he went. He had five contacts with one college Pd for disturbances and the college demanded he receive a mental health clearance or withdraw from the school. He withdrew from the school. So that school new he was crackers, even his professors described him as "likely to commit a school shooting" and yet nothing was done.

I think I like the fact that it is not possible to take action to prevent a crime that hasn't been committed. If this fellow's actions has risen to the level of a 5150 (a danger to self or others), I hope that someone would have taken action. But I doubt it. Here is California, Reagan closed all the mental health facilities and threw the patients out on the street. Nobody wants to pay the bill for a dubious psych hold so nothing is done. Then again, families were having their aged (and rich) relatives committed for no particularly good reason. Well, I'm not rich but I am certainly getting close to aged!

That alqueda **** in Ft Hood made it as clear as possible to a military command structure that he was going to attack them.

And there is no excuse for the military to not have taken action. It's not like they have to obey the constitution and the UCMJ is a lot more flexible than the penal code.

We can't stop all of these, but we can sure stop most of them. By having security in place, the same security that most crowds have anyway, we can limit the effectiveness of the ones that slip through the cracks.

I don't like seeing a paramilitary security presence. The idea of folks in BDUs with assault rifles slung over their shoulder is a little off-putting. I don't even like the local cops wearing BDUs and combat boots. It doesn't look professional. Slacks and polished shoes look so much better.

Richard

[WiskyT]

Originally Posted by F106 Fan

I don't like seeing a paramilitary security presence. The idea of folks in BDUs with assault rifles slung over their shoulder is a little off-putting. I don't even like the local cops wearing BDUs and combat boots. It doesn't look professional. Slacks and polished shoes look so much better.

Richard

I always wore Navy blue woolies and spitshined shoes or boots. I'm not talking about some GSG counter-terror group at the movie theater. I'm talking about off duty cops in uniform, with a radio, and police powers and knowledge of the law hired by businesses. We typically got $25.00 and hour for it and I rarely worked it because the rate for on-duty OT was much higher and plentiful. But guys lined up for it.

Like you, I don't like the whole BDU for police uniform crap that is going on these days. Too many cops wearing polo shirts and dockers. They look like the guys in the Ford Escort with the yellow light on top that drive around the mall parking lo

[fredj338]

Originally Posted by Three-Five-Seven

Why the hell would some some twenty something buy 6000 rounds of ammunition? I neither had the money, nor the time, nor the interest in my twenties to spend in the ways that these late adolescent bozos involved in the most recent mass shootings do.

Disaffected, late-teen-eartly-twenty-year-old MALEs who have developed a fetish for guns rather than pursuing girls, a career, an education, enough money to pay the bills, etc. etc. etc.

It has long been apparent that several such late adolescent fetishists inhabit sites like this one. One wonders what aid and support has come from sites like this for disaffected, young men whos' lives have come off the rails.

We have to deal with that. Us. Members of the shooting sports community.

If you are a late adolescent, and you're involved in the shooting sports, then you obviously NEED guns. If you're a video game hack with imaginings about the power that firearms will impart to you, then you might have the right to own a gun, but there is no compelling reason for you to do so. To what end?

It seems that it is not the liberals, the president, the Brady lobby, or average citizen who is impairing the freedoms of the rest of us. Rather, it is the disaffected twenty something males among us who make the compelling case that not everyone can be trusted with a gun. i.e. gun rights must be curtailed.

So, twenty something males should not be permitted to own firearms unless they are affiliated with a shooting sport community and have direct sponsorship from that community. In other words, members of a shooting sport community must attest that you are a good ol' boy in order for you to own firearms in your twenties.

This will preserve the second amendment, the freedoms that we presently enjoy, the vitality of the businesses that cater to shooters, the vitality of the shooting sports, and even the NRA.

It is time for shooters to chase the gun fetish whack-os away from here and from guns.

Wow, this is just so wrong on so many levels. A single nut goes 51-50 on a bunch of unarmed people & you blame all 20 somethings? So all those guys & gals coming home from two recent wars are in that same catagory? You lost me on that one.
No, it's up to us to stay the course. There are no good guns or bad guns. We don't need or desire a single new antigun bill, not one. This is NOT a gun control issue, criminals can get guns & nuts will find all kinds of ways to kill people in any manner they can. All I want is a chance to fight back & defend myself & my loved ones. A recognized national CCW program would go along way to keeping everyone safe from nut w/ any agendas. One aremd, decently trained & skilled ccw holder would have saved many lives in that theater.
The guy didn't want to die or fight, obvious by his body armor & that he surrendered w/o incident. He would NOT have stood his ground if rounds came flying back at him.

[dkf]

Originally Posted by fredj338

Wow, this is just so wrong on so many levels. A single nut goes 51-50 on a bunch of unarmed people & you blame all 20 somethings? So all those guys & gals coming home from two recent wars are in that same catagory? You lost me on that one.
No, it's up to us to stay the course. There are no good guns or bad guns. We don't need or desire a single new antigun bill, not one. This is NOT a gun control issue, criminals can get guns & nuts will find all kinds of ways to kill people in any manner they can. All I want is a chance to fight back & defend myself & my loved ones. A recognized national CCW program would go along way to keeping everyone safe from nut w/ any agendas. One aremd, decently trained & skilled ccw holder would have saved many lives in that theater.
The guy didn't want to die or fight, obvious by his body armor & that he surrendered w/o incident. He would NOT have stood his ground if rounds came flying back at him.

Well said Fred.

I'll be 28 in a couple months. I've been around guns all my life and have had guns since before I could legally buy them or legally hunt with them. Hunted and shot trap since 13. I got my LTCF as soon as I turned 21. My record is as clean as you can get.(not even a speeding ticket) Yes I have obviously proven I should not be allowed to own guns or even be affiliated with them.

If you can walk into a local store and buy reloading components, ammo and etc I fail to see exactly why you should not be able to buy the same online and have the items shipped to you.

There are many cities here in the US with strict gun control laws and look at how crime ridden they are. No matter how much you try and control this stuff the wrong people will still have it. We have plenty of examples out there that prove it both nationally and internationally.

[Angry Fist]

I ordered some 37mm flares and smoke the other day, and a box with a big orange sticker saying EXPLOSIVES emblazoned on it. I love this country.

[dkf]

Originally Posted by SARDG

Examples of continued misreporting; CBS had a copy of the mail-order receipt of recent items ordered from a 'tactical' dealer in Missouri. I paused the frame and read the description and stock number for "the shooter's bullet-proof vest". This is it (and the dealer):
http://tacticalgear.com/blackhawk-ur...FQbonAod_hAA4g

You wouldn't by chance have a link to that NBC article. I would like to see it. Possibly post a link on another site.

[norton]

If BHO is re elected, look for bans on online ammo purchases. Probably components too. He will no longer have to worry about re election, and the time will have come to put into place all of those freedom robbing ideas that liberals dream about at night.

[SARDG]

Originally Posted by SARDG

...Examples of continued misreporting; CBS had a copy of the mail-order receipt of recent items ordered from a 'tactical' dealer in Missouri. I paused the frame and read the description and stock number for "the shooter's bullet-proof vest". This is it (and the dealer):
http://tacticalgear.com/blackhawk-ur...FQbonAod_hAA4g

That vest would likely stop a BB - if the BB didn't hit the wearer in center-of-mass...

Direct purposeful misinformation regarding the 'vest' worn by the shooter given by the Aurora Chief of Police:
http://fox4kc.com/2012/07/22/colorad...d-in-missouri/

The Chief's son was apparantly also at a midnight showing of Batman at another Aurora theatre.

[dkf]

Thank You SARDG for the link.