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Old 07-20-2012, 20:35   #1
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Suspected terrorist's parents and ACLU sue the U.S.

I hope they win. The US government should not be in the business of murdering its citizens.

I hope folks understand that.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/07...urt-77974.html
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Old 07-20-2012, 20:43   #2
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Didn't he go to the enemies side of a war zone?? I think he got what he had coming.
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Old 07-20-2012, 20:46   #3
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I hope they win. The US government should not be in the business of murdering its citizens.

I hope folks understand that.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/07...urt-77974.html
An enemy combatant in a foreign land plotting the murder of US citizens is just another enemy combatant.
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Old 07-20-2012, 21:42   #4
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During Stalin era, "the enemy of the people" could be instantly imprisoned or executed. But even they were given some sort of a phony trial to make it look somewhat legal. I could never think that the United States, the stronghold of Liberty, would one day one-up Stalin.
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Old 07-20-2012, 21:46   #5
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I hope they win. The US government should not be in the business of murdering its citizens.

I hope folks understand that.
Thanx for posting that.

Excellent kill.

Keep up the good work American war machine.

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Old 07-20-2012, 21:47   #6
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The ends justify the means - period.

These turds, terrorists themselves, were hanging with an uber terrorist who got smoked from above. Tough.
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An enemy combatant in a foreign land plotting the murder of US citizens is just another enemy combatant.
End of discussion.
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Old 07-20-2012, 21:55   #8
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An enemy combatant in a foreign land plotting the murder of US citizens is just another enemy combatant.
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Old 07-21-2012, 07:34   #9
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What are we supposed to do? Send the local cops to arrest him?
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Old 07-21-2012, 07:53   #10
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I hope they win. The US government should not be in the business of murdering its citizens.

I hope folks understand that.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/07...urt-77974.html
So your only issue is that he is a US citizen?

Did you shed some tears when Bin Laden was killed?
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:09   #11
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Killing a enemy cobatatnt plotting to murder american citizens during a time of war is not murder.

And who gives a crapere they were born, he pretty much renounced citizenship by becoming a terrorist anyway.

Killing terrorists is always badass too.
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:23   #12
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It's a complicated issue. On one hand, he's an American citizen. On the other hand he's a scum sucking, vile terrorist intent on killing other US citizens.
Uhhhhh, on second thought it's not very complicated at all. Nevermind.

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Old 07-21-2012, 09:07   #13
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Didn't he go to the enemies side of a war zone??
The government says he did. We all know they'd never lie about something like that, right?
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Old 07-21-2012, 09:41   #14
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The government says he did. We all know they'd never lie about something like that, right?

im sure he was a upstanding citizen collecting toys for orphans and rebuilding churches......
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Sweet. You guys just said "alleged" and "suspected" justifies killing you. I got lots of suspicions about people. I was afraid to act on any of it before.
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Bin Laden was only a suspected terrorist, he never got a fair trial

Oh wait i forgot i dont give 2 ***** about terrorists. Kill em all.
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Old 07-21-2012, 10:26   #17
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im sure he was a upstanding citizen collecting toys for orphans and rebuilding churches......
I'm sure he was a terrorist scumbag.

That's not the point.

This is about the precedent set, not about this particular individual. If it is legal for the US government to decide to kill US citizens without due process, where does that end? What if tomorrow the government decides that anyone who doesn't turn in their "assault rifle" is a terrorist, what then? Can they call in drone strikes on your house?

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Bin Laden was not a US citizen.
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Old 07-21-2012, 10:49   #18
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Fine then....they killed him in self-defense of this nation if that makes you feel better. Allowing him to stay in foreign lands to coordinate terrorist attacks is certainly not the answer.

Sometimes things are just the right thing to do, everything is not a 'slippery slope'.
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Fine then....they killed him in self-defense of this nation if that makes you feel better.
And when they decide that you are a threat to this nation, and come after you... then what?

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Allowing him to stay in foreign lands to coordinate terrorist attacks is certainly not the answer.
Setting a precedent that the US government can legally target its own citizens for assassination is certainly not the answer either.

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Sometimes things are just the right thing to do, everything is not a 'slippery slope'.
I literally cannot think of a better example of "slippery slope" than this one.
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You just gotta love the GT chest thumpers who hold the 2nd Amendment in such high regard yet are more than willing to disregard other sections of the Constitution so willingly.

US Citizens have certain rights. Period. It doesn't matter if we don't like them. it doesn't matter if we suspect the particular citizen is suspected of killing Americans.

So, if a wanted known mass murderer US citizen stepped across the border into Mexico, the US President can order his murder?

This is not a slippery slope. This is the Constitution we're talking about.
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Old 07-21-2012, 11:40   #21
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Bin Laden was only a suspected terrorist, he never got a fair trial

Oh wait i forgot i dont give 2 ***** about terrorists. Kill em all.
Was he a USA citizen?

Oh wait ...
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You just gotta love the GT chest thumpers who hold the 2nd Amendment in such high regard yet are more than willing to disregard other sections of the Constitution so willingly.

US Citizens have certain rights. Period. It doesn't matter if we don't like them. it doesn't matter if we suspect the particular citizen is suspected of killing Americans.

So, if a wanted known mass murderer US citizen stepped across the border into Mexico, the US President can order his murder?

This is not a slippery slope. This is the Constitution we're talking about.
True.

Sad also, that people don't get it.

If, Martin Luther King, or Malcom X left the USA and they were accused of being terrorist - killing them would be OK?
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Old 07-21-2012, 11:56   #23
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You just gotta love the GT chest thumpers who hold the 2nd Amendment in such high regard yet are more than willing to disregard other sections of the Constitution so willingly.

US Citizens have certain rights. Period. It doesn't matter if we don't like them. it doesn't matter if we suspect the particular citizen is suspected of killing Americans.

So, if a wanted known mass murderer US citizen stepped across the border into Mexico, the US President can order his murder?

This is not a slippery slope. This is the Constitution we're talking about.
Once you take up arms against our country you lose the protection of the constitution. You become the enemy and need to die.
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Once you take up arms against our country you lose the protection of the constitution. You become the enemy and need to die.
Gotta correct that. I think you meant to say "Once you are SUSPECTED of or we think you MAY BE PLANNING to take up arms...."

To which, every person on this board has openly stated the circumstances that they would take up arms against this country. In many instances they have listed the weapons and their locations. Boy, this one's gonna be easy.
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I have been in the service of my country since 1965 but I am retired now and mostly drink beer.

Killing an American citizen without affording due process is unconstitutional.

Of course, violating the constitution has never seemed to bother this president.

I wonder if all of you will defend killing Americans without due process when a (or this) president decides you need killing, "for the good of the country"?

Besides guaranteeing you the right to not be forced into testifying against yourself, the 5th Amendment also guarantees, "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury,"

If we're going to start picking and choosing which parts of the Constitution the President can ignore on his own say so, then don't start crying when he orders the Army to confiscate all of your guns either.

The Constitution is either a real guarantee of freedom or it is just a made up hodge podge of words that really don't mean anything.
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