[KenMac]

Originally Posted by RussP

They are having a big OC event on July 21 - http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...-Carry-meeting.

Thanks...........Apparently I need to study Alabama law some more!!

[Patchman]

Originally Posted by Rick C

From the article "six morphine pills".
What kind of statement was he trying to make?
I only carry the best... BCM and Dilaudid.

I personally prefer oxycodone. The 60mg variety.

[twag4]

Originally Posted by MississipVol

Sorry, but if a man walks into my church in military fatigues, backpack, and assault rifle, I will probably be the first on the phone dialing 911.

The lives of my family are WAY more important than trying to determine if the man just brought along an assault rifle to church to exercise his carry rights.

Just my .02 because I can't think of any reason to bring an AR in to church. If it were someone I knew and trusted it might be completely different. I received a subscription email that led me to believe otherwise.

Nevertheless, based on the contents of his backpack, I wouldn't doubt if this couple had something up their sleeves. It wouldn't surprise me if further investigation finds that out.

I could not agree with you more. I suppose brandishing could be the charge. Not sure how they can do it though. I think it is weird and dangerous what this joker did.

[Rick C]

^ Patchman, whatever gets you through the day.
According to the article posted, I find it odd he had narcotics.
What was he trying, feebly, to prove?

[twag4]

Originally Posted by KenMac

I'm a life-long resident of Alabama and a concealed carry permit holder, and I'm pretty certain there is no open carry allowed here. I may be wrong, but I don't think so. Also, even though an act may be legal, it doesn't mean that it is a wise or prudent thing to do. Common sense goes a long way in forming opinions about a person's actions IMO.

Go to the Alabama Attorney General's web site and read what it says. There is no law that forbids it or allows it. Therefore, we can and many do. The Al Attorney General has given this info to all law enforcement. I don't open carry, but we can.

[twag4]

Quote:
From post #23

"...I happen to know that the rifle was not loaded, he had no intention of doing any harm to anyone. What the article fails to mention is that Robin is not just some random male in camo- he's been a long time member of the church of Christ, he goes there every week with his wife and their two newborn children. He is a former marine and he knows his rights. Is he not allowed to celebrate Independence Day by putting on his Marine uniform and legally carrying his firearm"

If this is the case, I stand corrected. Still seems like pretty dodgy judgement on the part of the guy! I received a subscription email that led me to believe he was not a church member.

[Sam Spade]

Because workers never shoot up *their* businesses, congregants never shoot up *their* churches and people never shoot up *their* homes and families?

[rmodel65]

Originally Posted by Jon_R

Maybe. What is the law in Alabama? He was not charged with a weapons charge. Have to see if he had a prescription for the pills. If he had a prescription then I guess release and give him back his guns. If the 6 pills where not legal how big of an issue is that. Fine??

If he went there to kill people I guess he was not to motivated. Even if the response time was 2 minutes which would be amazing he could have caused a lot of damage and chose not to.

Alabama pretty much doesnt have any off limits places...they are may issue for permits but you can OC(need a permit to get in a car though)

[rmodel65]

Originally Posted by TBO

July 1st- What Independence day is that?

it was Canada day

[rmodel65]

Originally Posted by dudel

What are the laws? In Ga, even with my carry permit, there are places I may not legally carry. Places of worship are one of those places.

strangely enough you can carry a rifle with a 16 inch barrel to church(or anywhere off limits for that matter) because it doesnt meet the definition of a weapon to be off limits but a handgun you must be licensed to carry would get you a year in the clink possibly

[magiaaron]

Originally Posted by Spiffums

To protect the church in case a guy in army clothes with an AR or AK came in and disturbed the peace would be a pretty good reason.


We used to talk about more than just CCW guns in church or the security team. But it didn't amount to anything.

That's the truth!

I am all in favor of people being able to carry any firearm they want along with them, but it is really strange to have someone come into church with that kind of stuff on their person. I can't blame the cops for arresting him even if they had to be creative with their reason for it. I would say common sense indicates something weird was going on.

[BamaBud]

Originally Posted by KenMac

Thanks...........Apparently I need to study Alabama law some more!!

Try:
http://www.alabamaopencarry.com/

BTW: Fairhope is one of the largest enclaves of Leftists in the state!

[rmodel65]

Originally Posted by magiaaron

That's the truth!

I am all in favor of people being able to carry any firearm they want along with them, but it is really strange to have someone come into church with that kind of stuff on their person. I can't blame the cops for arresting him even if they had to be creative with their reason for it. I would say common sense indicates something weird was going on.

really???

Gun control in colonial America was virtually
unheard of, with the exception of laws that required
people to be armed, such as Georgia’s 1770 law requiring
all males between the ages of 16 and 60 to
bear a gun or two pistols while attending church,
under the penalty of a fine for failing to be armed.
Don B. Kates, Jr., “Handgun Prohibition and the
Original Meaning of the Second Amendment,” 82
Michigan Law Review (1983), pp. 216-217.

[Kaybe]

This guy wasn't going into church to pray for a good day at the range. Who brings all that stuff with them into a church service? LE did right. I think that it was very fortunate that he didn't open up inside the church. Why else would he be there with all his gear? Yes, I have read the part about him not having a chambered weapon and all, but this was a narrowly averted tragedy.

[Sharky7]

Only on Glocktalk can the same people contemplate the possible future use of deadly force when asked for change by a stranger, but they supposedly won't bat an eye when a guy walks in dressed and geared up like the guy above.

[DanaT]

Originally Posted by Sharky7

Only on Glocktalk can the same people contemplate the possible future use of deadly force when asked for change by a stranger, but they supposedly won't bat an eye when a guy walks in dressed and geared up like the guy above.

You have it wrong. On GT when asked for change, they go full mall ninja on him because they are that guy dressed up like the guy above...


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[Misty02]

Originally Posted by Sharky7

Only on Glocktalk can the same people contemplate the possible future use of deadly force when asked for change by a stranger, but they supposedly won't bat an eye when a guy walks in dressed and geared up like the guy above.

It does seem enough of a visual to raise concern. I’m afraid that if present I would have been among those calling 911 as I took my family and left the church. If he meant no harm and was doing nothing illegal I hope he would accept my apologies next time we saw him.

Not everything that is legal is right and not everything that is illegal is wrong. This one may not have been illegal, but unless I knew the person and knew what he was doing and why I too would have been concerned.

Now if he had mentioned at the prior service that in celebration of the Independence Day he was coming to the next service in his full military gear, firearms and all, perception of what I was witnessing would have been completely different.

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[Bruce M]

Originally Posted by Sharky7

Only on Glocktalk can the same people contemplate the possible future use of deadly force when asked for change by a stranger, but they supposedly won't bat an eye when a guy walks in dressed and geared up like the guy above.

Maybe someone who knows more about these type things than do I can answer this. If he were still active in the military would it be customary for him to bring his rifle with him into church to help celebrate Independence Day in a non-combat area? I.E. Suppose he was at Camp Lejeune - would he have carried his rifle into the church there?

[Bren]

Originally Posted by MississipVol

Sorry, but if a man walks into my church in military fatigues, backpack, and assault rifle, I will probably be the first on the phone dialing 911.

The lives of my family are WAY more important than trying to determine if the man just brought along an assault rifle to church to exercise his carry rights.

And I'll be calling 911 while he has a gun pointed at him (one that was not carried in the open).

Originally Posted by Bruce M

Maybe someone who knows more about these type things than do I can answer this. If he were still active in the military would it be customary for him to bring his rifle with him into church to help celebrate Independence Day in a non-combat area? I.E. Suppose he was at Camp Lejeune - would he have carried his rifle into the church there?

Nope. His rifle would be locked in an arms room. The only place you have possession of a rifle 24/7 in the Army is basic training and a combat zone. I'm guessing the USMC is the same on that. Even in basic training, if you got to church the rifle stays with a buddy at the barracks.

Originally Posted by DanaT

You have it wrong. On GT when asked for change, they go full mall ninja on him because they are that guy dressed up like the guy above...


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A rare occasion when we agree, but I still think that's your Prius on the "Anybody Drive a Prius" thread.

[steveksux]

Originally Posted by TBO

July 1st- What Independence day is that?

I got married on Sept 16, 2000, so we went to church for our anniversary, but that Sunday probably didn't fall on Sept 16.

As it turned out, it was the first Sunday after 9/11, so church was packed of course. Father Dan (who married us*) greeted us on the way out, and remarked "Does it take a disaster to get you guys back in church???" I said, "Well, she can be kind of ornery sometimes, but I wouldn't call our marriage a disaster yet... we came for our anniversary"...

Randy

*Father Dan is not married to both of us, Catholic priests aren't allowed to marry. I meant to say he performed our marriage ceremony.

[steveksux]

Originally Posted by Bren

And I'll be calling 911 while he has a gun pointed at him (one that was not carried in the open).

+1. People might be wondering why I didn't put the hymnal down when the song was over. But he would be covered discretely while the wife calls 911. Don't want to set him off, but don't want to give him much of a head start if he does.

Randy

[jph02]

Alabama law prohibits possession at demonstrations and I suspect that will be key to any weapons-related charges.

Michigan prohibits open carry in churches and prohibits concealed carry in churches, but if you have a CPL, you can open carry in a church. Go figure.

As for this guy, if you have to bring your AR to church, you're either attending in the wrong neighborhood or you're in the wrong church.

[TBO]

No comments in the first aid kit and two way radios?

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[Bruce M]

Originally Posted by Bren

...



Nope. His rifle would be locked in an arms room. The only place you have possession of a rifle 24/7 in the Army is basic training and a combat zone. I'm guessing the USMC is the same on that. Even in basic training, if you got to church the rifle stays with a buddy at the barracks.


A rare occasion when we agree, but I still think that's your Prius on the "Anybody Drive a Prius" thread.

Thanks - I had sorta expected that. My point is is that it is not like he is suddenly being prevented from doing something to celebrate as he would have been able to do when he was still in the service.



And just in case someone hasn't had the time to get to the thread in question...
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1430637

[Jon_R]

Is this action done under the officer safety side of the issue or does it happen because the officer has reasonable suspicion the person committed a crime / violated a specific statute? Or can you just tell the person and it be legal and proper that I am taking you into custody / arresting you (still have not got any information if they are the same thing or not) because I have reasonable suspicion you committed a crime. My response if it was me what crime is that???

It is what it is just trying to understand why. If any of the variables change would it likely change the course of events. If he was open carrying a musket and dressed like a minuteman? If he was in dockers and a polo? Just a pistol? If it was a "non scary" rifle? etc...

I try and figure out the way things are actually done and the way they should be done theoretically.

I also am not a big fan of ends justified the means or better safe then sorry or if it saves only one person it is worth it, etc...

Originally Posted by Bruce M

Officers respond to a man with a rifle in church call. Presuming the guy with the rifle does not sneeze and exactly and quickly obeys commands he is handcuffed, weapons removed and searched. Quite probably he will be removed from the open worship area of the church. You are free to question this. My contention is that this is going to be a perfectly acceptable and valid response. I doubt there are many courts, legislatures or voters who will disagree. Then if the investigation uncovers a crime he is arrested and charged.