[Stevekozak]

Originally Posted by MasterShake

If you are telling me you don't have first impressions of anyone without talking to them first, you are LYING. Everyone does it, it's human nature. You know my impression of him so like I said, if you trust that face, don't think he's a nut, don't think he's not a junkie for walking around with nonprescription Morphine (which is essentially synthetic Heroin) and would hire a guy that looks like that to watch your kids or for ANYTHING, GO for it. Just remember here, you sought out to challenge my opinion here. You're not going to change it or make me realize anything. If anything, you are just looking gullible and ignorant to me. So just drop it.

You, sir, need to to get to back up off it and set your cup down. You are taking an internet discussion way too personal. I am not sure just how you have twice now jumped from my saying the person in question does not look like a strungout junkie in his mugshot to my hiring said individual to watch my kids. As to my challenging your opinion, no challenge was issued. I do submit, however, that you might want to challenge your mind to think a bit more critically and a lot less emotionally. Do try to live at least the rest of your day in peace.

[Bullman]

It is important to Rock if at all possible

You rock too you know, the brains behind the NS empire

[MasterShake]

Originally Posted by Stevekozak

You, sir, need to to get to back up off it and set your cup down. You are taking an internet discussion way too personal. I am not sure just how you have twice now jumped from my saying the person in question does not look like a strungout junkie in his mugshot to my hiring said individual to watch my kids. As to my challenging your opinion, no challenge was issued. I do submit, however, that you might want to challenge your mind to think a bit more critically and a lot less emotionally. Do try to live at least the rest of your day in peace.

That is a bunch of BS, you could have looked at my post, shook your head and moved on. Instead, you decided to challenge it. You did, by quoting my post, questioning me on it, and sticking your 2 cents in, you challenged it. So instead of trying to change my opinion on anything or shead light on anything to me, why don't you take some of your own advice "back up off it and set your cup down" and just move on and let it go.

[wjv]

Actually sounds like the reporter who wrote this story knows something about firearms. . .

semi-automatic instead of automatic or machine gun
magazine instead of clip
ammunition instead of bullets
9 millimeter instead of caliber or inch

[BamaBud]

There are lots of questions about Alabama laws.

!. Carry in church is legal.
2. Open Carry is nominally legal, but WILL get you hassled in many areas. You want more info, you can go to:
http://www.alabamaopencarry.com/


BTW: Fairhope is one of the MOST Leftist areas of Alabama. It started as a utopian single-tax colony (and still retains that status for about 1500-2000 properties in its area) and has gradually become an artists and "intellectuals" mecca. It's no wonder that someone called the police on this guy.


It looks like the Fairhope police are now trying to charge him on the following statute, despite the last line of subsection C (I would assume that a church is usually private property, but IF it falls under the single-tax designated properties, it may not be). The more pressing legal interpretation would be: Is a church service considered a "demonstration" under the following?

Section 13A-11-59
Possession of firearms by persons participating in, attending, etc., demonstrations at public places.
(a) For the purposes of this section, the following words and phrases shall have the meanings respectively ascribed to them in this subsection, except in those instances where the context clearly indicates a different meaning:

(1) DEMONSTRATION. Demonstrating, picketing, speechmaking or marching, holding of vigils and all other like forms of conduct which involve the communication or expression of views or grievances engaged in by one or more persons, the conduct of which has the effect, intent or propensity to draw a crowd or onlookers. Such term shall not include casual use of property by visitors or tourists which does not have an intent or propensity to attract a crowd or onlookers.

(2) FIREARM. Any pistol, rifle, shotgun or firearm of any kind, whether loaded or not.

(3) LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. Any duly appointed and acting federal, state, county or municipal law enforcement officer, peace officer or investigating officer, or any military or militia personnel called out or directed by constituted authority to keep the law and order, and any park ranger while acting as such on the grounds of a public park and who is on regular duty and present to actively police and control the demonstration, and who is assigned this duty by his department or agency. Such term does not include a peace officer on strike or a peace officer not on duty.

(4) PUBLIC PLACE. Any place to which the general public has access and a right to resort for business, entertainment or other lawful purpose, but does not necessarily mean a place devoted solely to the uses of the public. Such term shall include the front or immediate area or parking lot of any store, shop, restaurant, tavern, shopping center or other place of business. Such term shall also include any public building, the grounds of any public building, or within the curtilage of any public building, or in any public parking lot, public street, right-of-way, sidewalk right-of-way, or within any public park or other public grounds.

(b) It shall be unlawful for any person, other than a law enforcement officer, to have in his or her possession or on his or her person or in any vehicle any firearm while participating in or attending any demonstration being held at a public place.

(c) It shall be unlawful for any person, other than a law enforcement officer as defined in subsection (a) of this section, to have in his or her possession or about his or her person or in any vehicle at a point within 1,000 feet of a demonstration at a public place, any firearm after having first been advised by a law enforcement officer that a demonstration was taking place at a public place and after having been ordered by such officer to remove himself or herself from the prescribed area until such time as he or she no longer was in possession of any firearm. This subsection shall not apply to any person in possession of or having on his or her person any firearm within a private dwelling or other private building or structure.

(d) Any person violating any of the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished as provided by law.

(Acts 1979, No. 79-455, p. 743; Code 1975, §13-6-131.)

As reference ,the laws are available here:
http://alisondb.legislature.state.al...975/coatoc.htm

[Misty02]

Originally Posted by Sam Spade

There is no such thing as "nonprescription morphine" in this country. All such is a controlled substance, and there is no way to legally buy it OTC. Safest guess right now is that he stole it from the military.

I assumed it was not legal to possess. I was just trying to find a possible logic for him having them, and then read one of the comments in the article. It would kind of justify it in my mind if he had it at home with the rest of the SHTF stuff, I just couldn’t extend it to carrying it with him.


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[Sam Spade]

Originally Posted by Misty02

I assumed it was not legal to possess. I was just trying to find a possible logic for him having them, and then read one of the comments in the article. It would kind of justify it in my mind if he had it at home with the rest of the SHTF stuff, I just couldn’t extend it to carrying it with him.


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Some Army units (few) issue kits with battlepacks of meds. Generally, a wide spectrum antibiotic like Cipro, pain killers like a fentanyl lollipop or morphine and such. I don't know about the Marines, but that's the logical source given his background and other gear.

[Patchman]

I know there is at least one, probably three posters here on GT who are members of their churchs' armed security team.

I don't know if they've posted (I didn't read the entire 10 pages or so), but I wonder if this is the type of scenario the teams train for (man with gun walking into service and sits down), or is their protocol to act only after "something more" develops?

[Mayhem like Me]

Originally Posted by Patchman

I know there is at least one, probably three posters here on GT who are members of their churchs' armed security team.

I don't know if they've posted (I didn't read the entire 10 pages or so), but I wonder if this is the type of scenario the teams train for (man with gun walking into service and sits down), or is their protocol to act only after "something more" develops?

I am on ours and it's not a problem in GA he is violating the law if he is armed and not an officer in a church.

I would have had someone call and tail him to his seat and sit behind him, if in plainclothes, in uniform , I would escort him outside and immediatley cuff and disarm him, (It is against GA law to be armed in a church )

[rmodel65]

Originally Posted by Mayhem like Me

I am on ours and it's not a problem in GA he is violating the law if he is armed and not an officer in a church.

I would have had someone call and tail him to his seat and sit behind him, if in plainclothes, in uniform , I would escort him outside and immediatley cuff and disarm him, (It is against GA law to be armed in a church )

It is not against the law to be armed in a church if you're exempt like police there is a whole list of exemptions under OCGA 16-11-130


but its also not illegal to carry certain long guns to a church either...a long gun with a barrel length of 18+ inches is illegal but something like an AR etc with a 16 inch barrel is perfectly legal take note the definition of a long gun and of hand gun

also a hand gun with say a 12.5 inch barrel would also be legal to carry to church and any other place off limits to people with a license...


http://georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?ti...11&section=127

b) A person shall be guilty of carrying a weapon or long gun in an unauthorized location and punished as for a misdemeanor when he or she carries a weapon or long gun while:

(1) In a government building;

(2) In a courthouse;

(3) In a jail or prison;

(4) In a place of worship;

the right rifle would be 100% legal to carry

[Mayhem like Me]

Originally Posted by rmodel65

It is not against the law to be armed in a church if you're exempt like police there is a whole list of exemptions under OCGA 16-11-130


but its also not illegal to carry certain long guns to a church either...a long gun with a barrel length of 18+ inches is illegal but something like an AR etc with a 16 inch barrel is perfectly legal take note the definition of a long gun and of hand gun

also a hand gun with say a 12.5 inch barrel would also be legal to carry to church and any other place off limits to people with a license...


http://georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?ti...11&section=127



the right rifle would be 100% legal to carry

No it is not legal to bring them in a church in GA you are mistaken.

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[rmodel65]

i assume you didnt read the OCGA i posted and the definitions of long gun did you??

[Mayhem like Me]

Originally Posted by rmodel65

i assume you didnt read the OCGA i posted and the definitions of long gun did you??

You did assume ..and you are wrong..you cannot carry a rifle in to a church in GA unlesd you fit the exemption and read them carefully many require you to be on duty or working at the time...
But what do I know i only teach this as a court required course for those that violate the law..

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[rmodel65]

There is no "exemption" needed for a 16-17.99999inch barrel length rifle it has been legal since 2010 with the passage of senate bill 308 they are also legal to carry in government buildings, court houses, bars, nuclear power facilities etc

here is quite a few pages on this topic....

http://georgiapacking.org/forum/view...n+church+legal

[Mayhem like Me]

Originally Posted by rmodel65

There is no "exemption" needed for a 16-17.99999inch barrel length rifle it has been legal since 2010 with the passage of senate bill 308 they are also legal to carry in government buildings, court houses, bars, nuclear power facilities etc

here is quite a few pages on this topic....

http://georgiapacking.org/forum/view...n+church+legal

sorry you are wrong it is deadly weapon covered here.
http://www1.legis.ga.gov/legis/2009_...308_APP_23.htm

[rmodel65]

your link proved me right....

"16-11-125.1.
As used in this part, the term:
(1) 'Handgun' means a firearm of any description, loaded or unloaded, from which any shot, bullet, or other missile can be discharged by an action of an explosive where the length of the barrel, not including any revolving, detachable, or magazine breech, does not exceed 12 inches; provided, however, that the term 'handgun' shall not include a gun which discharges a single shot of .46 centimeters or less in diameter.
(2) 'Knife' means a cutting instrument designed for the purpose of offense and defense consisting of a blade that is greater than five inches in length which is fastened to a handle.
(3) 'License holder' means a person who holds a valid weapons carry license.
(4) 'Long gun' means a firearm with a barrel length of at least 18 inches and overall length of at least 26 inches designed or made and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or made to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed:
(A) Shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger or from which any shot, bullet, or other missile can be discharged; or
(B) Metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifle bore for each single pull of the trigger;
provided, however, that the term 'long gun' shall not include a gun which discharges a single shot of .46 centimeters or less in diameter.
(5) 'Weapon' means a knife or handgun.
(6) 'Weapons carry license' or 'license' means a license issued pursuant to Code Section 16-11-129."

[Mayhem like Me]

Originally Posted by rmodel65

your link proved me right....

Try it and see?
I am correct.
You missed the or not preceeded by an and here
OR

B) Metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifle bore for each single pull of the trigger;

Try it and see carry your SBR into a church you will go to jail...

[rmodel65]

Originally Posted by Mayhem like Me

Try it and see?
I am correct.
You missed the or not preceeded by an and here
OR

B) Metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifle bore for each single pull of the trigger;

Try it and see carry your SBR into a church you will go to jail...

a metallic cartridge is not a weapon nor a long gun...and what are you talking about the "or not proceeded by an and here"

[Mayhem like Me]

like I said try it and see...

That site is waiting for a test case,

[rmodel65]

I see what youre talking about now....

(4) 'Long gun' means a firearm with a barrel length of at least 18 inches and overall length of at least 26 inches designed or made and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or made to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed:
(A) Shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger or from which any shot, bullet, or other missile can be discharged; or
(B) Metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifle bore for each single pull of the trigger;
provided, however, that the term 'long gun' shall not include a gun which discharges a single shot of .46 centimeters or less in diameter.

in the definition is it quite clear.. it must meet the 18 inch length AND be 26 inches overall length or be made and intended to be fired from the shoulder......


but if it doesnt have an 18 inch barrel it is not a long run ever.... under the definition of a handgun it has to have a 12 inch barrel or less. so a lot of NFA guns are also legal to be carried in off limit locations like SBS, SBR etc etc

[Mayhem like Me]

hence my refernce... the SBR owner will still get a ride while the court figures out what the idiots that wrote this law intended...

I am a member of the websites you show and also think banning ccw in churches is a bit much...it is a mess, but its the law we have right now.

[DanaT]

Originally Posted by rmodel65

under the definition of a handgun it has to have a 12 inch barrel or less. so a lot of NFA guns are also legal to be carried in off limit locations like SBS, SBR etc etc

What is a T/c contender with a 14"
Barrel? They sell many of them.



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[rmodel65]

Originally Posted by DanaT

What is a T/c contender with a 14"
Barrel? They sell many of them.



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under GA law for off limits places its completely unregulated....at the federal level its what ever its defined as but thats irrelevant for GA law and off limits places

[Sharky7]

Bump.

"Officers called to the church found the suspect with a .223-caliber semi-automatic rifle and a 9mm pistol. Hernandez also had 150 rounds of rifle ammunition and 30 rounds of pistol bullets in nine clips for the weapons, according to a Fairhope police report.He also had six morphine pills in his possession.......Hernandez was wearing a backpack and military fatigue uniform."





Anyone see similarities? Re-read what you wrote before and digest the big picture.

[Sharky7]

Originally Posted by Mister_Beefy

police arresting someone that is not breaking the law, but behaving in a manner they deem "inappropriate"

unpossible!

Wasn't James Holmes legally open carrying along with wearing his body armor when he entered the back door? If an officer would have seen him walking in - is your comment above applicable?