[Sam Spade]

http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/jul/0...ch-ar-4073647/


Why? Shouldn't they have just watched him until he did something?

[Jon_R]

Maybe. What is the law in Alabama? He was not charged with a weapons charge. Have to see if he had a prescription for the pills. If he had a prescription then I guess release and give him back his guns. If the 6 pills where not legal how big of an issue is that. Fine??

If he went there to kill people I guess he was not to motivated. Even if the response time was 2 minutes which would be amazing he could have caused a lot of damage and chose not to.

[oldman11]

This is the only thing I could find in Oklahoma gun laws that they could arrest him on. That is assuming he had a Oklahoma CCL (news article didn't mention it). Although armed like he was I would have to think he was not there for any peaceful purposes.

"No person may hunt, pursue game or use firearms within 440 yards of a church, schoolhouse, or other public place where people may assemble, so as to disturb such assemblage."

[Mister_Beefy]

police arresting someone that is not breaking the law, but behaving in a manner they deem "inappropriate"

unpossible!

[twag4]

Alabama allows open carry. Oklahoma laws dont really count in Alabama. He was not a regular attender of that church. I dont know if he was asked to leave, but that is the only thing that they can get him on without being "creative" in their interpretation of the laws. I'm not sure of the local ordinances (sp) in that town though.

[Jon_R]

Originally Posted by twag4

Alabama allows open carry. Oklahoma laws dont really count in Alabama. He was not a regular attender of that church. I dont know if he was asked to leave, but that is the only thing that they can get him on without being "creative" in their interpretation of the laws. I'm not sure of the local ordinances (sp) in that town though.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

Says AL has state preemption on handguns. Weird handguns only...

It didn't say he was charged with trespassing... Weird story.

[MississipVol]

Originally Posted by twag4

Alabama allows open carry. Oklahoma laws dont really count in Alabama. He was not a regular attender of that church. I dont know if he was asked to leave, but that is the only thing that they can get him on without being "creative" in their interpretation of the laws. I'm not sure of the local ordinances (sp) in that town though.

Sorry, but if a man walks into my church in military fatigues, backpack, and assault rifle, I will probably be the first on the phone dialing 911.

The lives of my family are WAY more important than trying to determine if the man just brought along an assault rifle to church to exercise his carry rights.

Just my .02 because I can't think of any reason to bring an AR in to church. If it were someone I knew and trusted it might be completely different.

Nevertheless, based on the contents of his backpack, I wouldn't doubt if this couple had something up their sleeves. It wouldn't surprise me if further investigation finds that out.

[Jon_R]

That is fine and understandable and also the property owner can tell the man to leave before or after the police show up.

I hope you don't support arresting a person that didn't break a law because you are concerned or worried.

If they had something up their sleeves it was very nice of them to just hang out a while relax. etc..

Originally Posted by MississipVol

Sorry, but if a man walks into my church in military fatigues, backpack, and assault rifle, I will probably be the first on the phone dialing 911.

The lives of my family are WAY more important than trying to determine if the man just brought along an assault rifle to church to exercise his carry rights.

Just my .02 because I can't think of any reason to bring an AR in to church. If it were someone I knew and trusted it might be completely different.

Nevertheless, based on the contents of his backpack, I wouldn't doubt if this couple had something up their sleeves. It wouldn't surprise me if further investigation finds that out.

[Bruce M]

Originally Posted by Jon_R

...

I hope you don't support arresting a person that didn't break a law because you are concerned or worried.

...

Oddly as it may seem, my guess is that the vast majority of responders to the vast majority of churches would take the guy in camouflage with a rifle into custody.

And perhaps as oddly, my guess is that a subtantially huge majority of voters would support that and my guess is also that the absolute vast majority of courts with jurisdiction over these types of situations would be perfectly content with the police taking the guy in camouflage with a rifle in church into custody, disarming him and then charging him with any violation of statutes they discovered during the investigation.

[dudel]

What are the laws? In Ga, even with my carry permit, there are places I may not legally carry. Places of worship are one of those places.

[ADK_40GLKr]

Probably not. The only church I know of with armed security keep it really low key but trained, organized, plain clothes, CCW, and scattered throughout the congregation.

Was this a black church that a skinhead in military gear with his weapons decided to attend?

[MississipVol]

Originally Posted by Jon_R

That is fine and understandable and also the property owner can tell the man to leave before or after the police show up.

I hope you don't support arresting a person that didn't break a law because you are concerned or worried.

If they had something up their sleeves it was very nice of them to just hang out a while relax. etc..

Don't get me wrong, I am not in support of him getting arrested. I think the police should have been called to safely access the scene but really don't know why they arrested him. He should have just been escorted out and informed that the church did not want him to bring weapons and mass amounts of ammo into the sanctuary.

Moreover, IF he had some type of reason to bring in the guns, why didn't he just tell an elder or his pastor about it so there wouldn't have been such an alarm?

I am a 2nd amendment supporter but have to question this guy's judgement on this one.

[Jon_R]

Does he have to be suspected of committing a crime to be brought into custody. Is that different then arrested?

If he did not have the pills and he has to be expected of committing a what would be crime put on the paperwork?

I am glad the voters don't directly pass the laws or can modify the constitution.

Originally Posted by Bruce M

Oddly as it may seem, my guess is that the vast majority of responders to the vast majority of churches would take the guy in camouflage with a rifle into custody.

And perhaps as oddly, my guess is that a subtantially huge majority of voters would support that and my guess is also that the absolute vast majority of courts with jurisdiction over these types of situations would be perfectly content with the police taking the guy in camouflage with a rifle in church into custody, disarming him and then charging him with any violation of statutes they discovered during the investigation.

[Rick C]

Dunno about the watching and waiting thing.

I'm guessing the press release was from the cops to the news.
Amazing.
No machine gun, assault-rifle, clips, bullets, etc. mentioned. It even managed to give BCM props. Surprised it didn’t mention the magazine and accessories manufacturers.

“Two weapons were removed from him: a Bravo Company Manufacturing .223 caliber semi-automatic M-4 rifle equipped with tactical sights and accessories and a Glock 9 millimeter pistol. Investigators say Hernandez also had six magazines for the rifle with one-hundred fifty rounds of ammunition, three magazines for the pistol with thirty rounds of ammunition, a first aid kit, and a walkie-talkie radio equipped with an earpiece.”

[Spiffums]

"wearing military fatigues inside a church on Sunday. Officers were called to a church in the 800 block of North Greeno Road. A member of the congregation reported that a male had entered the church armed with an assault rifle. They said the suspect, Robin Lee Hernandez, was wearing a backpack and military fatigues."



He would have got the royal treatment at my church. Hi nice man! Would you like to see the business end of my glock?

I would say he made the church fell uncomfortable enough to call the Po Po.

[Spiffums]

Originally Posted by MississipVol

Sorry, but if a man walks into my church in military fatigues, backpack, and assault rifle, I will probably be the first on the phone dialing 911.

The lives of my family are WAY more important than trying to determine if the man just brought along an assault rifle to church to exercise his carry rights.

Just my .02 because I can't think of any reason to bring an AR in to church. If it were someone I knew and trusted it might be completely different.

Nevertheless, based on the contents of his backpack, I wouldn't doubt if this couple had something up their sleeves. It wouldn't surprise me if further investigation finds that out.

To protect the church in case a guy in army clothes with an AR or AK came in and disturbed the peace would be a pretty good reason.


We used to talk about more than just CCW guns in church or the security team. But it didn't amount to anything.

[Misty02]

You have what appears to be an unknown person in a church (private property) where he is not wanted. It doesn’t mention if he had a carry license. It doesn’t say if his handgun was concealed. It appears to be illegal to carry a pistol concealed without a license in AL.

.

[RussP]

This is from the comments:

...I happen to know that the rifle was not loaded, he had no intention of doing any harm to anyone. What the article fails to mention is that Robin is not just some random male in camo- he's been a long time member of the church of Christ, he goes there every week with his wife and their two newborn children. He is a former marine and he knows his rights. Is he not allowed to celebrate Independence Day by putting on his Marine uniform and legally carrying his firearm

[TBO]

July 1st- What Independence day is that?

[Rick C]

From the article "six morphine pills".
What kind of statement was he trying to make?
I only carry the best... BCM and Dilaudid.

[KenMac]

Originally Posted by twag4

Alabama allows open carry. Oklahoma laws dont really count in Alabama. He was not a regular attender of that church. I dont know if he was asked to leave, but that is the only thing that they can get him on without being "creative" in their interpretation of the laws. I'm not sure of the local ordinances (sp) in that town though.

I'm a life-long resident of Alabama and a concealed carry permit holder, and I'm pretty certain there is no open carry allowed here. I may be wrong, but I don't think so. Also, even though an act may be legal, it doesn't mean that it is a wise or prudent thing to do. Common sense goes a long way in forming opinions about a person's actions IMO.

[RussP]

Originally Posted by TBO

July 1st- What Independence day is that?

Canada Day

[Bruce M]

Originally Posted by Jon_R

Does he have to be suspected of committing a crime to be brought into custody. Is that different then arrested?

If he did not have the pills and he has to be expected of committing a what would be crime put on the paperwork?

I am glad the voters don't directly pass the laws or can modify the constitution.

Officers respond to a man with a rifle in church call. Presuming the guy with the rifle does not sneeze and exactly and quickly obeys commands he is handcuffed, weapons removed and searched. Quite probably he will be removed from the open worship area of the church. You are free to question this. My contention is that this is going to be a perfectly acceptable and valid response. I doubt there are many courts, legislatures or voters who will disagree. Then if the investigation uncovers a crime he is arrested and charged.

Originally Posted by RussP

This is from the comments:

Quote:
...I happen to know that the rifle was not loaded, he had no intention of doing any harm to anyone. What the article fails to mention is that Robin is not just some random male in camo- he's been a long time member of the church of Christ, he goes there every week with his wife and their two newborn children. He is a former marine and he knows his rights. Is he not allowed to celebrate Independence Day by putting on his Marine uniform and legally carrying his firearm



Ok he is a regular congregant there. But does he regularly carry his rifle in the open to and inside his church? Were the pastor, church elders and other congregants aware of his intentions and we they aware the rifle was not loaded? How about the person who called 911?

[RussP]

Originally Posted by KenMac

I'm a life-long resident of Alabama and a concealed carry permit holder, and I'm pretty certain there is no open carry allowed here. I may be wrong, but I don't think so. Also, even though an act may be legal, it doesn't mean that it is a wise or prudent thing to do. Common sense goes a long way in forming opinions about a person's actions IMO.

They are having a big OC event on July 21 - http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...-Carry-meeting.

[TBO]

Originally Posted by RussP

Canada Day

Thank you.

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