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Old 07-14-2012, 01:47   #51
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CA Penal Code 197
Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in any of the following cases:
1. When resisting any attempt to murder any person, or to commit a felony, or to do some great bodily injury upon any person; or,
2. When committed in defense of habitation, property, or person, against one who manifestly intends or endeavors, by violence or surprise, to commit a felony, or against one who manifestly intends and endeavors, in a violent, riotous or tumultuous manner, to enter the habitation of another for the purpose of offering violence to any person therein; or,
3. When committed in the lawful defense of such person, or of a wife or husband, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant of such person, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony or to do some great bodily injury, and imminent danger of such design being accomplished; but such person, or the person in whose behalf the defense was made, if he was the assailant or engaged in mutual combat, must really and in good faith have endeavored to decline any further struggle before the homicide was committed; or,
4. When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and means, to apprehend any person for any felony committed, or in lawfully suppressing any riot, or in lawfully keeping and preserving the peace.
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Old 07-14-2012, 12:35   #52
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I had no idea that a person could even obtain a permit in CA?
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Old 07-14-2012, 15:31   #53
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Some would say (says someone who lives in one of the "no way in hell" counties in CA) that it's cause-and-effect, not irony.

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Tammy, I'm sure you are right, it IS cause and effect; but that is due to the average Joe Blow being too dumb to realize that the "fewer guns = less crime" crap they get fed is WRONG (and also due to the average person not willing to carry a gun to counter crime). In shall-issue states like where I live, we see violent crime lessening.
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Old 07-14-2012, 17:24   #54
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Tammy, I'm sure you are right, it IS cause and effect; but that is due to the average Joe Blow being too dumb to realize that the "fewer guns = less crime" crap they get fed is WRONG (and also due to the average person not willing to carry a gun to counter crime).
Yes, this is what I meant. The areas that make getting an LTC (the California term) hard have higher crime BECAUSE the criminals know they're less likely to encounter an armed victim. It's shameful that county sheriffs (who are elected officials here) can get away with holding our Second Amendment rights hostage to their personal political ideologies like this, and to my way of thinking it's even more shameful that the general public is too uninformed to recognize that their safety is being sacrificed on the alter of politics. Especially when my local law enforcement agencies are so understaffed and underfunded.

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Old 07-14-2012, 18:38   #55
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stupid move, I won't act unless he points the knife at me and wants MY money.
I decided years ago that in such a situation "I won't act unless he points the knife at me and" threatens my life. But that does not mean that I will not be prepared to act. I know how little time it takes for someone to "close the distance" and make a remote threat an immediate threat and I will take that into consideration in how I proceed.
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Old 07-14-2012, 19:35   #56
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Since the media rarely reports on stuff like this...

Mercury News: 06-25-2012

Suspect entered a Subway resturant, ordered a sandwhich then brandished a knife and demanded cash.

A resturant customer, 25 year old male from Vallejo, with a CA conceal carry permit drew his handgun and confronted the suspect.

The suspect then fled the resturant.

Police are still looking for the suspect.
I'm sure Californians are outraged. Since they seem to get outraged about nearly anything. I bet if I open this article I see at least one comment saying, "great, another vigilante with a gun playing cop". Personally, I see nothing wrong with a CHL holder stopping an armed robbery, and I commend this citizen. Now to read the article before I eat my words lol.
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:20   #57
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stupid move, I won't act unless he points the knife at me and wants MY money.
Maybe you won't even act then. Seems to me like people who are afraid to get involved are often also too scared to react to their own emergencies.
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:58   #58
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I am saddened by some of the posts in this thread.

I would hope that if my loved ones were in danger someone would be brave enough to help.

Standing by while innocents are being threatened or hurt is cowardice no matter how you try to portray it. Especially if you have the means to help.
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Old 07-15-2012, 12:25   #59
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Maybe you won't even act then. Seems to me like people who are afraid to get involved are often also too scared to react to their own emergencies.
You're right on that, Bren.
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Old 07-15-2012, 12:32   #60
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I am saddened by some of the posts in this thread.

I would hope that if my loved ones were in danger someone would be brave enough to help.

Standing by while innocents are being threatened or hurt is cowardice no matter how you try to portray it. Especially if you have the means to help.
They are trying too hard to be politically correct.
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