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Old 06-20-2012, 17:37   #1
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Want WEAK 9mm round:

Usually discussion revolves around the most powerful ammo; in this case, I'd like to start showing my 11 y/o daughter (who is very small - looks more like 8) how to shoot using my Kahr PM9.

What round(s) that would produce the LEAST recoil/muzzle flip?
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Old 06-20-2012, 17:52   #2
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Federal 115gr ball would be a good place to start. If you reload you could load up some nice soft bunny fart loads.
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Old 06-20-2012, 17:54   #3
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I think something like 115-grain of the cheapest range ammo you can find is a good choice. And what pistol will you be teaching your daughter to shoot? That might influence ammo choices.

If you want really weak 9mm and cost isn't an issue the Fiocchi 124-grain Extrema XTP and Fiocchi 92-grain Extrema EMB ammo is about the weakest ammo I've shot. After your daughter practices with it save a mag or two for self-defense until you can find some potent self-defense JHP ammo.

Disclaimer: I really like the 115-grain Fiocchi Extrema XTP round for it's robustness and accuracy so this isn't a bash Fiocchi comment by any means.
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Old 06-20-2012, 17:54   #4
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Federal 115gr ball would be a good place to start. If you reload you could load up some nice soft bunny fart loads.
thanks, 115 sounded good to me too, i thought i'd check in case anyone else was in same situation.
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Old 06-20-2012, 18:00   #5
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Fiocci is anything but soft. They load towards NATO.
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Old 06-20-2012, 18:04   #6
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She needs her own Ruger 22/45 with pink grips
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Old 06-20-2012, 18:06   #7
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UMC is the weakest 9mm I've ever shot. Walmart carries that, or used to (I haven't looked in a long time).

PM9 really isn't a great 9 to start with. It's about the lightest and smallest 9 out there. Y'all should be starting with a .22 anyway. Unless you've already been there, done that?

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Old 06-20-2012, 18:06   #8
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I reload, so I'm using starter loads mostly. 124gr Berry's plated with 3.6gr of Titegroup are pretty much bunny farts.
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Old 06-20-2012, 18:07   #9
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Please consider teaching her with a .22. She could really focus on the fundsmentals of marksmanship instead of trying to control the recoil.

For 10mm PRVI Partisan (PPU) is a VERY light load, like less than a .40 S&W. Maybe their 9mm is just as light.
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Old 06-20-2012, 18:24   #10
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Please consider teaching her with a .22. She could really focus on the fundsmentals of marksmanship instead of trying to control the recoil.
I think if she seems interested after shooting once or twice, I'd invest in a .22; otherwise, I'll drop it until she is more ready.

Mostly, I wanted to find out if it's something she's even interested in. She watches big brother shoot and wants to try...

On the other hand, she's quite good at archery right now!
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Old 06-20-2012, 19:23   #11
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I think if she seems interested after shooting once or twice, I'd invest in a .22; otherwise, I'll drop it until she is more ready.

Mostly, I wanted to find out if it's something she's even interested in. She watches big brother shoot and wants to try...

On the other hand, she's quite good at archery right now!
Well, you can spend $100.00 on a Cricket 22 rifle and guarantee she'll like shooting, or you can have her shoot a micro 9mm and pretty much guarantee she won't like shooting. It's like you want her to fail.
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Old 06-20-2012, 19:31   #12
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I'd say Champion is the lightest 9mm I have fired. But I will strongly re-recommend getting a .22. Nothing will put her off more than a gun w/ too snappy recoil that "scares" her. Just MHO. Open up an Uncle Henerys and look for a used .22lr,
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Old 06-20-2012, 19:35   #13
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As far as I know the Federal Maroon box 115gr. ammo that Wal Mart carries is the lightest loads available in factory manufactured but it is also very suspect in the mouse guns. Just my observations. Good Luck with your daughter, its nice to see more girls getting familiar with firearms at an early age sp they can protect themselves later on in life.
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Old 06-20-2012, 20:05   #14
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I suggest buying a .22

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Old 06-20-2012, 20:56   #15
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Fiocci is anything but soft. They load towards NATO.
In some of their loads perhaps, but in the ones I mentioned they're anemic.

I carry the standard pressure 115-grain Extrema XTP in my sub-compact 9mm pistol because it's "hot" and accurate but was sorely disappointed in the 124-grain Extrema XTP.

Those who have run the heavier round through their chronometers agree that the heavier Extrema round runs about 200 fps less than advertised.

The Fiocchi FMJ range ammo seems on par with other major manufacturers' range stuff, but the OP asked for the weakest 9mm rounds so I offered my choices.
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Old 06-21-2012, 00:13   #16
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In some of their loads perhaps, but in the ones I mentioned they're anemic.

I carry the standard pressure 115-grain Extrema XTP in my sub-compact 9mm pistol because it's "hot" and accurate but was sorely disappointed in the 124-grain Extrema XTP.

Those who have run the heavier round through their chronometers agree that the heavier Extrema round runs about 200 fps less than advertised.

The Fiocchi FMJ range ammo seems on par with other major manufacturers' range stuff, but the OP asked for the weakest 9mm rounds so I offered my choices.
I don't think I tried the 124. I know their 124 "junk" ammo is loaded hotter than some manufacturers definition of +P
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I'd say Champion is the lightest 9mm I have fired. But I will strongly re-recommend getting a .22. Nothing will put her off more than a gun w/ too snappy recoil that "scares" her. Just MHO. Open up an Uncle Henerys and look for a used .22lr,
I agree with the .22lr suggestion.

I let my 15-year old daughter shoot my Ruger Mark II and she did very well. After that she shot my 9mm and although she didn't panic I could tell she doesn't like it so I won't press her to shoot it again until she's had time to digest her experience.

I'm glad I started her with the .22lr instead of the more powerful 9mm as it would most likely have really shocked her novice sensibilities.
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Thanks all, I guess I'm now in the market for a .22!
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I don't think I tried the 124. I know their 124 "junk" ammo is loaded hotter than some manufacturers definition of +P
If the price is right I will always buy the Fiocchi range ammo as it's always shot very well through all my pistols. It's the premium JHP self-defense Extrema rounds that seem to be hit-or-miss.

In 9mm I love the 115-grain Extrema XTP; hate the 124-grain Extrema XTP. And I have a full box of 124-grain Extrema XTP in .357sig I haven't shot yet but will try to shoot it for comparison alongside the box of 124-grain Hornady XTP .357sig I also haven't yet tried.
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Old 06-21-2012, 11:45   #20
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get a .22....... Ruger sr22 pistol was great, I taught my mom off that actually. I had her start on a glock 19 with bunny fart loads and she didn't seem too enthused about it until I introduced her to the ruger .22. So I'm sure your 11 year old daughter with appreciate the .22 even more....
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Old 06-21-2012, 11:52   #21
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I agree the Fiocchi Extrema stuff is light, the older red box stuff was warmer by far.
The Fed Champion crap from wallyworld is also light.
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Federal 115gr ball would be a good place to start. If you reload you could load up some nice soft bunny fart loads.
I finally got around to loading up some 40 minor bunny fart loads. I think it's softer than a 22.
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Old 06-21-2012, 21:40   #24
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I've found that steel cased TulAmmo seems to have far less power than anything I've ever used. Both .45 acp and 9mm have noticeably lighter recoil. But that's just my opinion.
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