[DaBurna]

I was Watchikg on older episode of American Riffleman that featured the Umarex HK-416D .22lr pistol. It has tac rails at the 12, 3, 6, & 9 positions... From my understanding all it would take is a vertical foregrip @ that 6 o'clock position, shooting at the range, a LEO walks us and see's u shooting, and you get a nice taxicab ride to county!!

That seems a little callous on HK's part doesn't it?

[427]

Originally Posted by DaBurna

I was Watchikg on older episode of American Riffleman that featured the Umarex HK-416D .22lr pistol. It has tac rails at the 12, 3, 6, & 9 positions... From my understanding all it would take is a vertical foregrip @ that 6 o'clock position, shooting at the range, a LEO walks us and see's u shooting, and you get a nice taxicab ride to county!!

That seems a little callous on HK's part doesn't it?

Couldn't one add a vertical foregrip to any pistol with a rail?

[Metal Angel]

A responsible citizen would use those rails for an optic, backup sights, light, laser and whatever other tacticool things you can think of to make your .22 more suitable for awesome.

[Reswob]

Originally Posted by DaBurna

That seems a little callous on HK's part doesn't it?

Yep, and how dare Glock and EVERY OTHER handgun manufacturer offer accessory rails on their pistols that could readily accept vertical foregrips.

[WoodenPlank]

Originally Posted by DaBurna

I was Watchikg on older episode of American Riffleman that featured the Umarex HK-416D .22lr pistol. It has tac rails at the 12, 3, 6, & 9 positions... From my understanding all it would take is a vertical foregrip @ that 6 o'clock position, shooting at the range, a LEO walks us and see's u shooting, and you get a nice taxicab ride to county!!

That seems a little callous on HK's part doesn't it?

Plenty of "pistol" configurations and typical handguns have rails that COULD fit a foregrip, but legally can't be installed. Not that big of a deal.

[Airborne Infantryman]

Its every gun owners responsibility to know all laws regarding firearms.........even NFA firearms.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

[12131]

Really, it's all HK's fault, isn't it?

[DaBurna]

I'm just saying usually you see rails added EXCEPT in the 6 o'clock position usually. Yeah several of my Glocks have picatiny rails that COULD accept foregrips. I see where you guys are going with this...

[H&K 4 LIFE]

Well, the S&W M&P15-22P has rail space in the same 6 o'clock location. So...

[JBnTX]

Originally Posted by DaBurna

That seems a little callous on HK's part doesn't it?

What's your beef with Heckler and Koch?

You could put a vertical foregrip on a whole boatload of today's firearms.

Why try to identify HK as the bad guy?

[MadMonkey]

Don't look at the AR pistol section on ARFcom, it might give you a heart attack.

[mr.scott]

The local Leo can get bent because he can't enforce federal law. By the time he called the atf and they got an agent on the phone and he drove out there, you'd be long gone.

[JBnTX]

Originally Posted by mr.scott

The local Leo can get bent because he can't enforce federal law. By the time he called the atf and they got an agent on the phone and he drove out there, you'd be long gone.

Really?

[Airborne Infantryman]

Originally Posted by mr.scott

The local Leo can get bent because he can't enforce federal law. By the time he called the atf and they got an agent on the phone and he drove out there, you'd be long gone.

Are you really serious?!?!

That is the most outlandish thing I've seen posted in a while.....

Yes, a local LEO can detain you on violating Federal law.

Yes, a local LEO can take you to jail, and you be booked on Federal weapons charges.

Yes, you WILL go to jail.

Yes, you WILL be a convicted felon.

[ak103k]

You can legally install one of the Magpul angled fore grips on it.

[ScottieG59]

It is not smart to try to assume local law enforcement will allow you to walk while he goes for the ATF.

My issue is that some things are illegal but it is not logical. It is too easy to run afoul of the law without having any idea. There is an unreasonable expectation that end users will review that law, policies, case law and enforcement priorities in things that not obvious to a reasonable person.

I can buy a stock for my Glock or a kit to convert it to something similar to a submachine gun. These items are sold on places like Amazon. I can install the items without understanding it can cause a 10 year and $10,000 fine. I can store the parts and apply through the ATF for my stamp and still find myself in violation because I COULD HAVE constructed the short rifle. I can act in good faith and still violate the law.

We know there has been a couple times in history in which criminals were better armed than law enforcement. We saw it during prohibition. We saw it when police were using revolvers against semiautomatic weapons.

In reality, political upheavals created an environment of repression and Joe Average was going to get his booze one way or another. Additionally, police training and tactics were inferior and not suited to dealing with armed conflict. In neither situation were weapons the cause of the problems, nor was control of them the solution.

We live in a complex and illogical legal environment built around the desire to strengthen law enforcement and weaken private citizens' ability to visit violence upon each other.

In reality, we weaken the citizens' abilities to exercise their rights and law enforcement in unable to provide protective services.

The legal net has been cast far and wide in the desire to prevent civil violence; to head it off at the pass. Instead, this net has ensnared all of us and to this legal net, those without evil intentions are indistinguishable from the evil ones among us.

Justice may be blind, but it is also lost and does not know how to read a map.

[WiskyT]

Originally Posted by Airborne Infantryman

Are you really serious?!?!

That is the most outlandish thing I've seen posted in a while.....

Yes, a local LEO can detain you on violating Federal law.

Yes, a local LEO can take you to jail, and you be booked on Federal weapons charges.

Yes, you WILL go to jail.

Yes, you WILL be a convicted felon.

As crazy as Mr. Scott's post seems, are Constitutional law professor-in-chief agress with him. The bho admin says that states can't enforce federal immigration laws. In a couple of weeks or less we will find out how dumb our professor/President really is.

[Foxtrotx1]

Originally Posted by ak103k

You can legally install one of the Magpul angled fore grips on it.

Yes. Exempt.

[Airborne Infantryman]

Originally Posted by WiskyT

As crazy as Mr. Scott's post seems, are Constitutional law professor-in-chief agress with him. The bho admin says that states can't enforce federal immigration laws. In a couple of weeks or less we will find out how dumb our professor/President really is.

Well, if Mr. Scott thinks he can knowingly violate the NFA, and not have to worry about getting arrested, more power to him.....

[A'boy]

Originally Posted by Airborne Infantryman

Well, if Mr. Scott thinks he can knowingly violate the NFA, and not have to worry about getting arrested, more power to him.....

Yeah, good luck with that

[quichedem]

Wow! This thread got out of hand quick!
I would bet good money, most (not all) officers don't even know that a foregrip would be illegal on that type of weapon. You have to remember these people aren't walking lawbooks, and they aren't constantly briefed on this stuff. They are too busy looking for trouble to be looking at what people are shooting at the range. I would also bet good money, that if you were shooting your shiny new Umarex (NOT H&K, BTW) "Hk 416 .22" with a fancy foregrip at the range, the cops wouldn't give you a second look.
Stuff like that really gets scrutinized if the weapon is involved in a crime or a something suspicious not at a range. You folks are way too worked up today, but it is Friday, I guess.

[GTS197]

Originally Posted by mr.scott

The local Leo can get bent because he can't enforce federal law. By the time he called the atf and they got an agent on the phone and he drove out there, you'd be long gone.

Try it in Texas. See how far you get.

[CBennett]

Originally Posted by mr.scott

The local Leo can get bent because he can't enforce federal law. By the time he called the atf and they got an agent on the phone and he drove out there, you'd be long gone.

wow BAN for just general incorrect,STUPID, and info that is against TOS by actually implying people SHOULD do illegal things because a "local" cop cant stop them lol...

[GTS197]

Originally Posted by WiskyT

As crazy as Mr. Scott's post seems, are Constitutional law professor-in-chief agress with him. The bho admin says that states can't enforce federal immigration laws. In a couple of weeks or less we will find out how dumb our professor/President really is.

Federal Immigration Law and Weapons Offenses are not the same thing.

[WiskyT]

Originally Posted by GTS197

Federal Immigration Law and Weapons Offenses are not the same thing.

Neither are tennis and basketball, so what?