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Old 06-12-2012, 14:20   #1
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Mauser chamberings, what's the difference?

<-- not a Mauser expert.

I've heard many referenced to "7mm Mauser", "8mm Mauser", 7x57 and 8x57. So what is the "common" Mauser round, and is 8mm really 7.92?

Looks like those youropeeans could make things simple and straightforward, like 30-06...
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Old 06-12-2012, 14:30   #2
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Wikipedia is your friend. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.92_x_57mm_Mauser
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Old 06-12-2012, 14:59   #3
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<-- not a Mauser expert.

I've heard many referenced to "7mm Mauser", "8mm Mauser", 7x57 and 8x57. So what is the "common" Mauser round, and is 8mm really 7.92?

Looks like those youropeeans could make things simple and straightforward, like 30-06...
First came the 7mm then came the 7.92 which was rounded up to 8mm.
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Old 06-12-2012, 15:08   #4
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Oh, OK. So there was never really a "7x57 Mauser", except in redneck dreamland maybe.
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Old 06-12-2012, 15:12   #5
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First came the 7mm Mauser round to go with the M93 Mauser rifle. American servicemen and the Rough Riders were the recipients of these nasty modern rounds (spitzer bullet and all that) during the Spanish-American War. Not soon afterward, came the Springfield 03 and the .30-06 for Uncle Sam.
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Old 06-12-2012, 16:09   #6
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Oh, OK. So there was never really a "7x57 Mauser", except in redneck dreamland maybe.
First Mauser is a company. (Think Remington or Winchester.)

Mauser made rifles and pistols. Based on the above conversations, are you interested in just the military Mauser rifles or the commercial offerings?

If Military, look at them country by country. It makes life easier. Are you thinking WWII and German? OR.....?

If commercial, that is a much larger can of worms.
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Old 06-12-2012, 17:16   #7
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There definitely was and is a 7x57 Mauser, originated by Paul Mauser and it's a beautiful round in the art of cartridge design... The round spawned the other stuff like the 9x57, 8x57, 7x57, and the 6mm Remington which is basically a 6x57 Mauser.. I'd say the 7mm and 8mm are certainly the most popular and do a complete job on north amercian game minus the big bears... Love'em...
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Not soon afterward, came the Springfield 03 and the .30-06 for Uncle Sam.
Well, the first 03 Springfields used the 30-03...
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Old 06-12-2012, 17:40   #9
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<-- not a Mauser expert.

I've heard many referenced to "7mm Mauser", "8mm Mauser", 7x57 and 8x57. So what is the "common" Mauser round, and is 8mm really 7.92?

Looks like those youropeeans could make things simple and straightforward, like 30-06...
You mean like ...30-06. .30 carbine, 7.62 NATO, .30-40, 30-30 .300 Savage, .303, 7.62x54, 7.62x39, .308 Win, just to name some of the .30 caliber rounds.

Or do you mean the confusing things like...

.223 Rem, 5.56mm, 5,56x45, M-193, M-855, SS-109 and things like this that all describe the same cartridge.

I agree that European system is soooo confusing.
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Old 06-12-2012, 17:41   #10
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let's not forget the swedish mauser at 6.5x55.
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<-- not a Mauser expert.

I've heard many referenced to "7mm Mauser", "8mm Mauser", 7x57 and 8x57. So what is the "common" Mauser round, and is 8mm really 7.92?
<-- Not a mauser expert either.

7mm mauser and 7x57 are the same round. It's a very common hunting round in europe as it's so versatile.

The 8mm mauser is indeed 7.92. It's officially the 8x57 mm IS [IS = infantry 'spitzer'] but called the 8mm informally and is still a very popular round for larger game. In the US the 30.06 does the same job and the cartridge is best known as a WW2 military round for the K98 etc.
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Old 06-12-2012, 18:30   #12
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6.5x55 Swedish, 7x57 , 7.65 Argentine, 8x57 and many other variations. In 8x57 there are two different diameters. The round originally was .318 inch but several year later was reissued in .323 inch. Most military weapons were rebarrelled but some are still out there with .318 barrels in which will develop excessive pressure if the standard .323 round is used.
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let's not forget the swedish mauser at 6.5x55.
The only reason I didn't mention it was because it wasn't chambered in German hardware, but man was a fantastic cartridge in the hands of a reloader... My Dad built one on a Rem 700 action for my then 18 month old son... Ballisitcally speaking it rubs shoulders with the other world reknown hunting rounds for all deer species... The long range flight is deceivingly good, the accuracy doesn't take crap from anyone, and it penetrates better than it should...

I'd love to have a nice model 96 Swedish in the 6.5...

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Old 06-12-2012, 19:33   #14
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The 8mm Mauser goes all the way back to the 88 Commission rifle. However there have been two bullet diameters. The first 8mm was the "J" and has a diameter of .318". It was later enlarged to .323" "S" or "JS" in the M-98.

One of the reasons factory 8mm is downloaded to such low velocites and pressures and load data is low-balled is because of the chance of someone having a .318 bore and shooting .323 loads out of it. If the barrel is stamped "S" or "JS", it a 323 bore.
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Are any rifles for the 7x57 M still made 'stateside? Or has the cartridge kinda fallen to the 30-06, .270 and others?
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The 8mm Mauser goes all the way back to the 88 Commission rifle. However there have been two bullet diameters. The first 8mm was the "J" and has a diameter of .318". It was later enlarged to .323" "S" or "JS" in the M-98.

One of the reasons factory 8mm is downloaded to such low velocites and pressures and load data is low-balled is because of the chance of someone having a .318 bore and shooting .323 loads out of it. If the barrel is stamped "S" or "JS", it a 323 bore.
Wait, where would this S or JS stamp be and on what guns? Does the K98k have a .318 or a .323 bore?
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Old 06-12-2012, 19:51   #17
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Are any rifles for the 7x57 M still made 'stateside? Or has the cartridge kinda fallen to the 30-06, .270 and others?
I think you can still get Ruger #1 International in the 7x57, but after that I think they're tough to find... Although, the 7mm-08 is like a ballistic sibling if that would interest you and everybody chambers that round in their rifles..
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You mean like ...30-06. .30 carbine, 7.62 NATO, .30-40, 30-30 .300 Savage, .303, 7.62x54, 7.62x39, .308 Win, just to name some of the .30 caliber rounds.
Yeah, simple intuitive stuff like that, although the 54 and 39 is from godless commonists.
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There are quite a few "fine" guns made in 275 Rigby AKA 7x57

But production guns not so much. There are some, but the options are fairly limited, and fewer in numbers.

It appeals to a different crowd, and is thus, more limited in its popularity.



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Thank you gentlemen. This has been very enlightening.
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