[OlliesRevenge]

Originally Posted by lawman800

Did you also stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

Can't afford it! I'll be staying at a Motel 6 tomorrow night though (i swear I just made reservations). Taking the 6 yo to an amusement park.



P.S. For Russ -- I knew these guys could take the FireFgtr jab, they've got Rhino skin man! Thanks for letting it fly.

[DaBigBR]

Originally Posted by Patchman

It's a conspiracy, I tell you. A conspiracy.

You might be on to something, there!

[knoxvegasdaddy]

this is what I posted on 3/17/2012:


"I felt sorry for this poor young Marine...for about 6 seconds...then I read where UC plates were run through the system after some surveillance drive bys.

Nobody clean is wired in to crooked law enforcement.

Then all that stuff about how the "ladies" owned multiple hi-end SUVs and several homes, all while having no visible means of support. They stunk of dirty from the first minute. I guess they are just doing the work Americans won't do."


I still feel the same.

[Patchman]

Originally Posted by OlliesRevenge

if Jose was making a bundle off drug trafficking, why was he working at a mine?

Generally, the quickest way to get your neighbors' curosity is to own a house and have several cars parked outside but is never seen going to work.

Also, this family is drug wholesalers, not dealers. Jose was not the brains-he didn't make the deals, keep the inventory or the account books. He was the muscle, the runner, the delivery guy. He don't sell directly to junkies/users so he didn't need to be around all the time. How often did Jose transport (for pickup or delivery) the drugs? Maybe once a week for a 3 or 4 hour period? He could easily do this during his non-working time.

And was he really making a bundle$$$? Unlikely. It was probably the father or whoever the brains of the operation was that was raking in the drug profits. Even though they are family, drug dealers don't share their profits equally just because you're family. Jose probably got paid piecework.

And of course he probably got a cut from whatever cash and drugs they robbed from rival dealers. But that's not steady work.

[lawman800]

Originally Posted by Patchman

And of course he probably got a cut from whatever cash and drugs they robbed from rival dealers. But that's not steady work.

Heard the benefits and retirement package also sucks.

[Patchman]

Originally Posted by lawman800

Heard the benefits and retirement package also sucks.

Yeah, but in that line of work, when you get retired, they usually send you off with a BANG.

[lawman800]

Originally Posted by Patchman

Yeah, but in that line of work, when you get retired, they usually send you off with a BANG.

Either that, or you get out of the game when you lose your head.

[ray9898]

Originally Posted by OlliesRevenge

I brought this up in another forum recently...

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...9#post19072879

Yes, I realize this wasn't a no knock warrant, but it sounds like they got the wrong Guerena to me -- if Jose was making a bundle off drug trafficking, why was he working at a mine?

If you plan on spending your dirty money you either have a way to make it clean money or have legitimate income to mix with it. Nothing throws up a red flag faster than a guy with no income owing expensive things.

[steveksux]

Originally Posted by lawman800

Heard the benefits and retirement package also sucks.

You get to retire pretty early a lot of the time though!

Randy

[steveksux]

Is this the guy where there was a raid on his house, he answered the door and got shot? I remember a monster thread about something like that a while ago.

One side arguing innocent man got killed in a no knock warrant tragedy, the other side mentioning lights and sirens outside (so much for surprise) and he happened to have a gun in hand when he opened the door and was in the process of raising it... Might have been a long gun, don't recall the details too clearly...

Randy

[m2hmghb]

Originally Posted by steveksux

Is this the guy where there was a raid on his house, he answered the door and got shot? I remember a monster thread about something like that a while ago.

One side arguing innocent man got killed in a no knock warrant tragedy, the other side mentioning lights and sirens outside (so much for surprise) and he happened to have a gun in hand when he opened the door and was in the process of raising it... Might have been a long gun, don't recall the details too clearly...

Randy

Yea, the details are a bit different but that's the gist of it. He had an AR15 and pointed it towards officers.

[RussP]

Originally Posted by steveksux

Is this the guy where there was a raid on his house, he answered the door and got shot? I remember a monster thread about something like that a while ago.

One side arguing innocent man got killed in a no knock warrant tragedy, the other side mentioning lights and sirens outside (so much for surprise) and he happened to have a gun in hand when he opened the door and was in the process of raising it... Might have been a long gun, don't recall the details too clearly...

Randy

More Information on AZ SWAT Shooting: Unsealed Document

[Patchman]

Originally Posted by ray9898

If you plan on spending your dirty money you either have a way to make it clean money or have legitimate income to mix with it. Nothing throws up a red flag faster than a guy with no income owing expensive things.

You need to have a job to explain a source of income. Then hold on to that job long enough to qualify for unemployment benefits. The benefits will allow you to show a source of income while being home 24/7 for 6 months or whatever.

[steveksux]

Originally Posted by m2hmghb

Yea, the details are a bit different but that's the gist of it. He had an AR15 and pointed it towards officers.

AR15? Doesn't matter, like they always say, (peanut gallery) is always ignorant until (the perp) is proven guilty. Which means the cops are always assumed to be wrong until, or often after, the facts exonerating them comes out.

Randy

[lawman800]

Originally Posted by Patchman

You need to have a job to explain a source of income. Then hold on to that job long enough to qualify for unemployment benefits. The benefits will allow you to show a source of income while being home 24/7 for 6 months or whatever.

Isn't unemployment still 99 weeks?

[blueiron]

Originally Posted by lawman800

Isn't unemployment still 99 weeks?

Mine is lifetime.

[lawman800]

Rub it in, why don't ya.

[G26S239]

Originally Posted by OlliesRevenge

I brought this up in another forum recently...

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...9#post19072879

Yes, I realize this wasn't a no knock warrant, but it sounds like they got the wrong Guerena to me -- if Jose was making a bundle off drug trafficking, why was he working at a mine?

Originally Posted by ray9898

If you plan on spending your dirty money you either have a way to make it clean money or have legitimate income to mix with it. Nothing throws up a red flag faster than a guy with no income owing expensive things.

My cousin is a good example of that. He was growing pot hydroponically in a dug out basement and making a lot of money. He had a $1500 bicycle and a very expensive racing motorcycle that he raced at Sears Point. I suggested to him at different times that a) having a legit source on income would be a good idea and b) that Vallejo PD were actually not stupid and very likely had him on their things to do when they get bored list. My cousin really enjoyed playing Mr Big to the customers that had to have his product though, and his arrogance got him popped in late 1995. He actually cried about it at one point. I believe he snitched a few people out.

[blkt2]

I don't believe that being involved in the drug trade is any worse then working for a tobacco company or an alcohol distillery. I have sat on juries before and have refused to convict defendants for drug crimes.

I do believe that killing a man in his own home while trying to enforce a malum prohibitum type law is a capital crime.

Folks tend to forget that ALL of the drugs that we have been waging war on for the past 70+ years were perfectly legal for 160 years in this country before we got around to banning them.

The war on drugs should be renamed "The war on some drugs". We also need to realize that the greatest profiteer form drug use in this country is our government.

[Sam Spade]

Oh, look. Another one.

[steveksux]

Originally Posted by blkt2

I do believe that killing a man in his own home while trying to enforce a malum prohibitum type law is a capital crime.

That not only isn't a capital crime, hell, its not even a crime with a lower case "c" let alone a Crime with a capital C.

People believe in the Easter Bunny too. Doesn't make him real.

Randy

[metal]

Originally Posted by blkt2

Yawn... next

[Sharky7]

Originally Posted by blkt2

I don't believe that being involved in the drug trade is any worse then working for a tobacco company or an alcohol distillery. I have sat on juries before and have refused to convict defendants for drug crimes.

I do believe that killing a man in his own home while trying to enforce a malum prohibitum type law is a capital crime.

Folks tend to forget that ALL of the drugs that we have been waging war on for the past 70+ years were perfectly legal for 160 years in this country before we got around to banning them.

The war on drugs should be renamed "The war on some drugs". We also need to realize that the greatest profiteer form drug use in this country is our government.

We also used to kill people in the Roman Colosseum for the entertainment of the crowd. We also had slaves in our country not too long ago.

The evolution of a society.

[RocPO]

Originally Posted by blkt2

I don't believe that being involved in the drug trade is any worse then working for a tobacco company or an alcohol distillery. I have sat on juries before and have refused to convict defendants for drug crimes.

So you've refused to actually be an impartial juror and listen to the facts of the case before coming to a logical and valid conclusion? Color me surprised. Way to live up to your oath as a juror.

I do believe that killing a man in his own home while trying to enforce a malum prohibitum type law is a capital crime.

Show me where in the law in any state of the US or US Federal Code it says such. Or do you also believe that your beliefs have the full force and effect of actual law?

The war on drugs should be renamed "The war on some drugs". We also need to realize that the greatest profiteer form drug use in this country is our government.

When you spend a little time dealing with people whose lives have been destroyed by illicit drug use, feel free to come back here with a leg to stand on. Until you can, stuff it.

[lawman800]

Originally Posted by blkt2

I don't believe that being involved in the drug trade is any worse then working for a tobacco company or an alcohol distillery. I have sat on juries before and have refused to convict defendants for drug crimes.

I do believe that killing a man in his own home while trying to enforce a malum prohibitum type law is a capital crime.

Folks tend to forget that ALL of the drugs that we have been waging war on for the past 70+ years were perfectly legal for 160 years in this country before we got around to banning them.

The war on drugs should be renamed "The war on some drugs". We also need to realize that the greatest profiteer form drug use in this country is our government.

I see your reasoning in malum prohibitum crimes, but only as far as it goes toward not affecting anyone else. In other words, if you are speeding along on the freeway and you're by yourself, so be it, have at it. Enjoy your car.

But if there are other people around, and you speed around like an idiot practicing for NASCAR on the freeway, now you are endangering other people.

Bam, you get in a wreck, now guess what, the insurance companies raise rates on all of us.

Same thing with drugs... you want to take it all day long and then die from an OD? Fine. I don't care. A DB/OD report is easy. When you trade in drugs, when you rob to feed the habit, when you mess other people up with your dealings, that's when it stops being fine.

Your freedom to do as you wish, also give me the freedom to be free from your actions. Want to be an idiot, go ahead, don't expect me to pay for it.

P.S. Who determines which crimes are which? Your morality might not be the same as another person who thinks nothing of murder and rape. Relative morality is a dangerous thing.