Why Does The U.S. Military Choose Hammer Fired Sidearms? - Page 11

themighty9mm · 05-28-2012, 12:59

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Originally Posted by Shadyscott69

I just read 10 pages of BS that could have easily been summed up with a single "I know you are, but what am I?" Followed up with a "nan-a nan-a boo boo."

Make you feel just like a kid again, doesnt it? lol

**Cavalry Doc** · 05-28-2012, 13:09

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Originally Posted by Restless28

Did the CZ75 compete in the trials that the Beretta won?

In 1985, when the beretta was adopted by the US Army, there was the little issue of the cold war still going on. Makarov's and Stechkins were also not looked at. Kalishnikov's were also somehow overlooked in rifle trials.

Go figure.

My personal opinion is that the 9mm is over rated, especially in ball ammo. We should have stuck to the .45.

Foxtrotx1 · 05-28-2012, 13:11

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Originally Posted by Cavalry Doc

In 1985, when the beretta was adopted by the US Army, there was the little issue of the cold war still going on. Makarov's and Stechkins were also not looked at. Kalishnikov's were also somehow overlooked in rifle trials.

Go figure.

My personal opinion is that the 9mm is over rated, especially in ball ammo. We should have stuck to the .45.

Nobody gets shot with either anyhow. And if you are using the pistol, **** is ****ed and neither will save you.

Shadyscott69 · 05-28-2012, 13:12

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Originally Posted by pennlineman

Maybe the copier jammed. Admin officers were always the most difficult to deal with in my experience. It must be very frustrasting for them to be so close to being a real soldier yet not.

Agreed!

**Cavalry Doc** · 05-28-2012, 13:13

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Originally Posted by FLIPPER 348

You can't possibly be as big of a dick in real life.

arclight610 · 05-28-2012, 13:47

**Cavalry Doc** · 05-28-2012, 14:24

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Originally Posted by arclight610

Blast through the hinges and remove the door.

tuica · 05-28-2012, 15:06

Are Glocks used by more (western) nation's armies than hammer fired designs - particularly the Beretta M9? Cheers.

battlin bulldog · 05-28-2012, 15:31

Ive had a chance to train with multiple other armies and thier sidearms. Although I love my glocks, Im glad I had a beretta on my side in the sand box. The poor canadian soldiers I trained with had the oldest beat up FN hipowers. When I went to the AFSAM 2 years ago every other country was drooling over our M9's and asking to see it. If I recall the norwegians had glock 17's and they did ok. All in all though after a week of shooting the US team with M9's came out on top.
The M9 helped The US keep these trophies on our own soil.

By cvscout at 2012-05-28

I know this thread has become a pissing contest but the fact is the M9 is an outstanding weapon, as our many other sidearms. There is no magical perfect weapon, they all have pros and cons. Its the users responsibility to know those strengths and weaknesses.

I in know way at home or abroad feel undergunned with 20 rounds at the ready of 124 gr 9mm nato.

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Restless28 · 05-28-2012, 15:39

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Originally Posted by battlin bulldog

Ive had a chance to train with multiple other armies and thier sidearms. Although I love my glocks, Im glad I had a beretta on my side in the sand box. The poor canadian soldiers I trained with had the oldest beat up FN hipowers. When I went to the AFSAM 2 years ago every other country was drooling over our M9's and asking to see it. If I recall the norwegians had glock 17's and they did ok. All in all though after a week of shooting the US team with M9's came out on top.
The M9 helped The US keep these trophies on our own soil.

By cvscout at 2012-05-28

I know this thread has become a pissing contest but the fact is the M9 is an outstanding weapon, as our many other sidearms. There is no magical perfect weapon, they all have pros and cons. Its the users responsibility to know those strengths and weaknesses.

I in know way at home or abroad feel undergunned with 20 rounds at the ready of 124 gr 9mm nato.

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Excellent post! Thank you for your service.

I will have a M9 this year to accompany the CZ75.

tuica · 05-28-2012, 16:21

Thanks for the input, Bulldog!

KCCAD · 05-28-2012, 18:10

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Originally Posted by pennlineman

Maybe the copier jammed. Admin officers were always the most difficult to deal with in my experience. It must be very frustrating for them to be so close to being a real soldier yet not.

4A031 - YouTube

Check my Gat · 05-28-2012, 18:35

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Originally Posted by pennlineman

It must be very frustrating for them to be so close to being a real soldier yet not.

I forgot the Infantry Officer track started at the Field Grade Staff and Command positions. Then as you prove yourself you'll eventually be demoted to Lieutenant, get tabbed and become a platoon leader so you can finally take guys outside the wire at the end of your career.

Believe it or not, those dick admin and command officers in the MFE branches (used to be Combat Arms, rebranding) plugged away with everyone else on ranges and FTXs in training, and patrols in combat when they were O1-3. More over, they put up with Army BS for four years before they became "real soldiers".

Happy memorial day all.

Restless28 · 05-28-2012, 18:48

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Originally Posted by KCCAD

4A031 - YouTube

That's pretty darn funny!

arclight610 · 05-28-2012, 19:37

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Originally Posted by Check my Gat

I forgot the Infantry Officer track started at the Field Grade Staff and Command positions. Then as you prove yourself you'll eventually be demoted to Lieutenant, get tabbed and become a platoon leader so you can finally take guys outside the wire at the end of your career.

Believe it or not, those dick admin and command officers in the MFE branches (used to be Combat Arms, rebranding) plugged away with everyone else on ranges and FTXs in training, and patrols in combat when they were O1-3. More over, they put up with Army BS for four years before they became "real soldiers".

Happy memorial day all.

You're neither of which, so what does it matter to you?

Check my Gat · 05-28-2012, 19:45

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Originally Posted by arclight610

You're neither of which, so what does it matter to you?

You're right. I just dive the FMs all day so I can imitate someone who has an uninteresting job.

That was pretty petty. Especially considering that was a very polite little post. Enjoy memorial day, this is not a productive conversation.

***faawrenchbndr*** · 05-28-2012, 20:04

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Originally Posted by Check my Gat

You're right........

**pennlineman** · 05-28-2012, 20:32

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Originally Posted by Check my Gat

I forgot the Infantry Officer track started at the Field Grade Staff and Command positions. Then as you prove yourself you'll eventually be demoted to Lieutenant, get tabbed and become a platoon leader so you can finally take guys outside the wire at the end of your career.

Believe it or not, those dick admin and command officers in the MFE branches (used to be Combat Arms, rebranding) plugged away with everyone else on ranges and FTXs in training, and patrols in combat when they were O1-3. More over, they put up with Army BS for four years before they became "real soldiers".

Happy memorial day all.

I don't have a problem with what you do, if indeed you do it. I'll be as plain as I can. I have a problem with your attitude. You have no respect for those men and women who have served before you. You have no respect for your fellow soldiers unless they are combat arms. I'm sure many non combat arms work under you in support of your mission. Being in the position you say you hold your actions are disgraceful.

All I know is that I appreciated seeing the cook that feed me, the supply guy that kept us equipped, the motor pool guy that kept our equipment running, the admin folks who made sure we got paid, the doc's that fixed us up when we were hurt or sick.

Just remember, it will someday end for you. You're getting older and fatter every day. Out here respect is earned, nobody is going to bow down over a little piece of brass on your shoulder

There is a lot of knowledge on these boards. It comes from civilians, police and military alike. If you can manage to get over yourself and listen, you might learn something.

fnfalman · 05-28-2012, 21:42

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Originally Posted by Shadyscott69

I bet he can. This display is has been one from a veteran dick. Skills such as his aren't learned overnight.

They have to go to Ossifer Skuul for that.

***faawrenchbndr*** · 05-28-2012, 21:47

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Originally Posted by Check my Gat

I forgot the Infantry Officer track started at the Field Grade Staff and Command positions. Then as you prove yourself you'll eventually be demoted to Lieutenant, get tabbed and become a platoon leader so you can finally take guys outside the wire at the end of your career.

Believe it or not, those dick admin and command officers in the MFE branches (used to be Combat Arms, rebranding) plugged away with everyone else on ranges and FTXs in training, and patrols in combat when they were O1-3. More over, they put up with Army BS for four years before they became "real soldiers".

Happy memorial day all.

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Originally Posted by pennlineman

I don't have a problem with what you do, if indeed you do it. I'll be as plain as I can. I have a problem with your attitude. You have no respect for those men and women who have served before you. You have no respect for your fellow soldiers unless they are combat arms. I'm sure many non combat arms work under you in support of your mission. Being in the position you say you hold your actions are disgraceful.

All I know is that I appreciated seeing the cook that feed me, the supply guy that kept us equipped, the motor pool guy that kept our equipment running, the admin folks who made sure we got paid, the doc's that fixed us up when we were hurt or sick.

Just remember, it will someday end for you. You're getting older and fatter every day. Out here respect is earned, nobody is going to bow down over a little piece of brass on your shoulder

There is a lot of knowledge on these boards. It comes from civilians, police and military alike. If you can manage to get over yourself and listen, you might learn something.

Great post Pen'

FLIPPER 348 · 05-28-2012, 22:33

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Originally Posted by pennlineman

All I know is that I appreciated seeing the cook that feed me, the supply guy that kept us equipped, the motor pool guy that kept our equipment running, the admin folks who made sure we got paid, the doc's that fixed us up when we were hurt or sick.

Everyone was happy to see the Chinook come and get them.

mixflip · 05-29-2012, 00:31

I got called every name in the book the days and weeks following my attachment to my first Marine unit as a Navy Corpsman. Funny thing though... when danger was close, certain folks made sure I was near them. My Marines made sure I never had to pay for a beer and in every bar fight I knew I had at least 10+ Marines at my back.

I may have been labeled a non-combatant by the Geneva convention (technically) but that all goes south real quick when SHTF. Everyone is a rifleman.

Happy memorial day!

pat701 · 05-29-2012, 06:37

They are safer then stricker fired pistols with one in the pipe.

SFCSMITH(RET) · 05-29-2012, 07:09

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Originally Posted by FLIPPER 348

Everyone was happy to see the Chinook come and get them.

They never came for us..

summin' 'bout that 70 ton ride we wanted to take along..

MajorD · 05-29-2012, 07:28

the key to the whole thing is back when they were adopting hammer fired guns no mainstream, proven striker fire design even existed- the striker fired duty pistol is a development of the last 30 or so years- just getting started when the m9 trials started and m9 was adopted- the glock had only been in the US for a few years when the m9 was adopted and wasn't yet a proven platform, plus the military requirements demanded a manual safety that could be left on safe during laoding and unloading.