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Old 06-20-2013, 10:47   #976
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I understand better metals, but really its a knife. Its a tool for cutting and stabbing. My 20 dollar knife will do everything a 300 dollar one will. Might break or become less sharp sooner, but its a knife. They all wear out.

As for the HK over high point, when i buy a gun I know its going to cost alot for quality. But when I can get a knife made of quality steel for 20-30 compared to a 200-300 dollar tacticool knife, Ill stick to the cheap one. At the end of the day, its a pocket knife. Back up weapon or tool.
By your logic a Hi-Point will do everything an HK will. It may jam or break sooner but its a pistol, they all wear out. Can you point me to a $20 knife with good steel such as CPM-M4, S30V, CPM-D2 or CPM154 with a GOOD heat treat?

There are diminishing returns between a $100 Benchmade and a $425 Chris Reeve, but it really doesn't happen before about the $100 mark. A $100 Benchmade is at least 5X the quality of the $20 Fiskars. It is made for better materials and to tighter tolerances with better QC. If you want to carry $20 junk and feel that that is all you want in a knife, by all means, do it. That is your choice, but you are way out in left field by berating someone for wanting quality tools.


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Old 06-20-2013, 11:08   #977
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By your logic a Hi-Point will do everything an HK will. It may jam or break sooner but its a pistol, they all wear out. Can you point me to a $20 knife with good steel such as CPM-M4, S30V, CPM-D2 or CPM154 with a GOOD heat treat?

There are diminishing returns between a $100 Benchmade and a $425 Chris Reeve, but it really doesn't happen before about the $100 mark. A $100 Benchmade is at least 5X the quality of the $20 Fiskars. It is made for better materials and to tighter tolerances with better QC. If you want to carry $20 junk and feel that that is all you want in a knife, by all means, do it. That is your choice, but you are way out in left field by berating someone for wanting quality tools.


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Last I checked, high points go bang when you shoot them. Its not an HK, but it works. It will break and jam more then the HK for sure. So my logic is actually factual. Same thing with every consumer item, including knives. I didnt mean to berate anyone for wanting a quality tool, Im really just trying to understand the differences between a cheap pocket knife, and a quality one besides the steel. Are the benchmade knives like indestructible for life or something?
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Old 06-20-2013, 13:12   #978
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Last I checked, high points go bang when you shoot them. Its not an HK, but it works. It will break and jam more then the HK for sure. So my logic is actually factual. Same thing with every consumer item, including knives. I didnt mean to berate anyone for wanting a quality tool, Im really just trying to understand the differences between a cheap pocket knife, and a quality one besides the steel. Are the benchmade knives like indestructible for life or something?
Fit, finish, heat treat, frame and scale materials. Yes, a Benchmade knife as compared to POS Gerber/Fiskar knife will out perform and outlast.

I don't think you are really trying to understand. The Hi-Point to HK analogy was pretty much dead on.

Good tools are better built with better material and out perform lesser quality tools. It's that simple.
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Old 06-20-2013, 13:20   #979
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I consider a knife a tool. The tool I use most day to day is my leatherman skeletool cx....

One handed knife opening with a 154cm blade, takes bits instead of a fixed screwdriver so I bought a bit set for it that fits flat in a back pocket.

Halfway decent pliers and cutters for light day to day duty.

The bottle opener comes in handy too.

I use it daily and barely know it is there at 142 grams.

Mine is a straight blade and it has held up well

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................. but you are way out in left field by berating someone for wanting quality tools.
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Old 06-20-2013, 23:28   #981
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I understand better metals, but really its a knife. Its a tool for cutting and stabbing. My 20 dollar knife will do everything a 300 dollar one will. Might break or become less sharp sooner, but its a knife. They all wear out.

As for the HK over high point, when i buy a gun I know its going to cost alot for quality. But when I can get a knife made of quality steel for 20-30 compared to a 200-300 dollar tacticool knife, Ill stick to the cheap one. At the end of the day, its a pocket knife. Back up weapon or tool.
That 20-30 dollar pigsticka ain't going to pry open a truck door like my ESSE 5 will. I can take a video of me cutting into pieces with a plasma cutter, and they will send me a new one.
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That 20-30 dollar pigsticka ain't going to pry open a truck door like my ESSE 5 will. I can take a video of me cutting into pieces with a plasma cutter, and they will send me a new one.
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Try cutting an apple with a pry bar.
I like applesauce.
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Gerber. Under 20 bucks at Walmart, does the same thing as most knives ... We have a lot of knife fighters here? lol
I'm not a knife fighter but i have few scars and IMHO there is a difference between expensive and inexpensive knives, I'm not talking about cheaply made knives... I would always pay more for well thought design and materials. It depend how you use your knife after all - I have inexpensive knives that will open slightly in your pocket when you jump off a truck, well build (expensive) knifes will not do this. Are you familiar what would happened if you reach for this knife in a hurry ?
...I own few inexpensive knives (i.e. CRKT Heiho) and I'm happy with them for the same reason you are pointing - everyday use, if I brake it, I can always replace it and so on, but there is a big difference between the two categories and if you have few of the expensive-ones you would know it...
Dwaine's Aircats look extremely tacticool and are very expensive knives by my standards but once you hold one of them in your hand and actually use it for few things you'll see what your money worth, also will last longer than some imitations (if there are any), generally speaking...
Comparing the original Bedlam for $170 to the Ganzo copy for $20 will give you pretty good idea with is the difference between two of them, the Ganzo's action is way crappier than the Bedlam's, you can't compare the 154cpm hardened to 58-61hrc to 440c and no name materials for the pins, springs and liners... This is the first example that comes to my mind, I own both of those, got the Ganzo out of curiosity...
Let's not judge people because they choose how to spent their money for what they are using every day... Generally I agree that knife is a knife, a tool as everything else, but how you use it will probably give you a better understanding why some people prefer actually better build tools, I will assume your "lol" thing goes for those that don't know what to do with $700 knife that stays in the living room and it's only purpose is to start conversations during party or to fulfill some of his owners fantasies...
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I carry a left hand Chris Reeve Tanto Umnumzaan, by far the best quality knife I have and carry all the time. I also have a Benchmade 950sbk, and soon to come (pre-orders) zero tolerance 0566, and 0801cf. I look forward to the 2 zero tolerance knifes to come in.
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I think I'm turning Chinese, I think I'm turning Chinese, I really think so. I was impressed with the first Ganzo so I bought a second one and an Inron as well. For about $22 each, they are impressive.

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I'm not a knife fighter but i have few scars and IMHO there is a difference between expensive and inexpensive knives, I'm not talking about cheaply made knives... I would always pay more for well thought design and materials. It depend how you use your knife after all - I have inexpensive knives that will open slightly in your pocket when you jump off a truck, well build (expensive) knifes will not do this. Are you familiar what would happened if you reach for this knife in a hurry ?
...I own few inexpensive knives (i.e. CRKT Heiho) and I'm happy with them for the same reason you are pointing - everyday use, if I brake it, I can always replace it and so on, but there is a big difference between the two categories and if you have few of the expensive-ones you would know it...
Dwaine's Aircats look extremely tacticool and are very expensive knives by my standards but once you hold one of them in your hand and actually use it for few things you'll see what your money worth, also will last longer than some imitations (if there are any), generally speaking...
Comparing the original Bedlam for $170 to the Ganzo copy for $20 will give you pretty good idea with is the difference between two of them, the Ganzo's action is way crappier than the Bedlam's, you can't compare the 154cpm hardened to 58-61hrc to 440c and no name materials for the pins, springs and liners... This is the first example that comes to my mind, I own both of those, got the Ganzo out of curiosity...
Let's not judge people because they choose how to spent their money for what they are using every day... Generally I agree that knife is a knife, a tool as everything else, but how you use it will probably give you a better understanding why some people prefer actually better build tools, I will assume your "lol" thing goes for those that don't know what to do with $700 knife that stays in the living room and it's only purpose is to start conversations during party or to fulfill some of his owners fantasies...
Thanks for the insight. I guess I just use mine for little things here and there, so I dont need a top tier knife. I didnt mean to offend anyone about there choice of knife. I was just trying to understand why they are so much better. I guess if you need a knife/prybar/glass break, the more expensive knife is the way to go.
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That 20-30 dollar pigsticka ain't going to pry open a truck door like my ESSE 5 will. I can take a video of me cutting into pieces with a plasma cutter, and they will send me a new one.
Hahaha man if i needed to pry open a door id get a better tool than a knife! All joking aside, that is pretty sick to be able to do that with a knife.
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Hahaha man if i needed to pry open a door id get a better tool than a knife! All joking aside, that is pretty sick to be able to do that with a knife.
That's well and good if you still have the chance to do that.
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It is a pry bar, just a little short, with a nice edge on it.


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Hahaha man if i needed to pry open a door id get a better tool than a knife! All joking aside, that is pretty sick to be able to do that with a knife.
I don't collect many things, so I kinda go for the best "one tool fits all" that I can afford. I locked my keys in the truck awile back and it got me in in no time. I used a spare mag to keep it open whie I popped the lock.
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Hey, buy whatever you like. I have a couple collector knives I paid a couple hundred dollars for. I do NOT carry them. I have a drawer full of carry knives ranging from a couple $20 Chinese knives to some $85-100 Kershaws and Benchmades.

Kershaw is my favorite brand but guess what, the Chinese knives do very well especially considering their price point. In fact, many makers use the same Chinese factories to make their lower end knives. Spyderco and Kershaw are good examples. If I need a pry bar, I do NOT use a knife. If I need to cut something or stab someone, well I use a knife.

I've also had a nice $1000 1911 and yet somehow the $425 G19 was carried way more often. Both went bang when I qualified, the G19 was just easier to clean and lighter to carry and offered more rounds.

OKC Apache and CRKT Foresight are my newest "nice" knives and I really like the OKC. That said, the Inron is in my pocket now and the Ganzo was in my pocket earlier when I went to work in some not so safe places.
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It is a pry bar, just a little short, with a nice edge on it.



I don't collect many things, so I kinda go for the best "one tool fits all" that I can afford. I locked my keys in the truck awile back and it got me in in no time. I used a spare mag to keep it open whie I popped the lock.


i've broken my fair share of knives (both cheap and expensive) using them as pry bars so i made this. if i can get to my knife i can get to my pry bar.

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it's a modiefied stanley wonder bar. they're like 5$ at any tool place and takes about 15 minutes to modify if you have a dremel and a bench grinder.

but hey if you want to risk a 100$+ knife and/or your hand go ahead.
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