[Glockbuster]

I have been carrying my G32 with Crimson Trace laser grips and soon will carry my 340PD revolver with them. I am convinced--by doing close quarter SD training--that it is an excellent tool out to 8 yrds fast when aiming is not possible or practical and the gun must be fired from close to the body with no arm extension. I now consider them essential for self defense. It is also great for firing the gun at 90 degree angles, for example out of a car window to the side.

Anyone else feel this way and already carries them or a similar device, or plans or would like to carry some day ?

[Seale Team]

Sort of on topic....I spoke with an older LEO who worked near the border. He said he could approach a car at night, voicing commands with little compliance. One of his kids gave him a key chain with cheap laser on it. He said now when he approaches, he just shines it quickly through the glass and magically, everyone puts their hands up.

Old guys are just cool that way.

[snubfan]

My EDC is a 642 with CT405's. The way I see it, if you are proficient with your carry gun without a laser, having one will only give you more options and advantages.YMMV.

[Schlitz]

Originally Posted by Seale Team

Sort of on topic....I spoke with an older LEO who worked near the border. He said he could approach a car at night, voicing commands with little compliance. One of his kids gave him a key chain with cheap laser on it. He said now when he approaches, he just shines it quickly through the glass and magically, everyone puts their hands up.

Old guys are just cool that way.

So his intentions are to convince people in the vehicle that they have weapons drawn on them? Does he do this to just anyone?

[pipedreams]

Originally Posted by Seale Team

Old guys are just cool that way.

LOL............

I have the CT Laserguard and as someone else mentioned I see it as another option available to me.

[jdavionic]

I have a Crimson Trace on my LCP because the sights are basically of little value to me on that gun. I find the laser to be a great enhancement for that gun. Iron sights on my G19 and XDSC.

[Hef]

Originally Posted by Schlitz

So his intentions are to convince people in the vehicle that they have weapons drawn on them? Does he do this to just anyone?

That's what I was thinking. I would be very upset with an LEO aiming a laser at me (and likely my family) purely to intimidate me. I would have to assume that laser is mounted on a firearm, which is what he would be trying to make me think.

That's how he gets sued. Not smart.

[up1911fan]

As I type this, my M&P9 FS is in a AIWB holster with Crimson Trace Lasergrips, my Ruger LCR with Crimson Trace Lasergrips is in my left front pocket. I find them to be helpfull in low light shooting ( not dark, just dim). Also, if that one in a million encounter ever happens and I have to draw my gun, that red dot may just make the guy stop before I have to shoot, that alone is worth the $$ to me.

[F350]

My wife carries a S&W 642 CT I gave her for our anniversary....The laser is very good for teaching trigger control, there was a spot on the wall across from the foot of the bed, I would have her dry fire trying to keep the red dot on the spot, really shows how much control you have.

In Colorado carry on a college campus is legal; wife is director of the library and was having a meeting with VP over security and the sgt over the campus detail about a stalker problem one of her employees is having. She told them "Just so you know, I have my CCW and I am going to be carrying until this is settled". She said the sgt asked to see what she was carrying so she took the gun out of her top desk drawer and laid it on top the desk and told them it had the laser grips; she said the sgt grinned real big and said "I was afraid you had some cheap Jennings .25 or something. That will do the trick. I'll let the other guys know that you will be armed if there is ever a call here".

Gotta love living in Colorado!

[Glockrunner]

Originally Posted by up1911fan

As I type this, my M&P9 FS is in a AIWB holster with Crimson Trace Lasergrips, my Ruger LCR with Crimson Trace Lasergrips is in my left front pocket. I find them to be helpfull in low light shooting ( not dark, just dim). Also, if that one in a million encounter ever happens and I have to draw my gun, that red dot may just make the guy stop before I have to shoot, that alone is worth the $$ to me.

Just a side note: I would think (as I was trained) if I had to pull a gun on someone, the're going to get the cap at that point, stop or not, it's too late.

[jdavionic]

Originally Posted by Seale Team

Sort of on topic....I spoke with an older LEO who worked near the border. He said he could approach a car at night, voicing commands with little compliance. One of his kids gave him a key chain with cheap laser on it. He said now when he approaches, he just shines it quickly through the glass and magically, everyone puts their hands up.

Old guys are just cool that way.

I find this one to be pretty unlikely. If someone is armed and extremely dangerous (not uncommon near the border towns), you might trigger gunfire back at you while standing with a laser toy in your hand. Not smart. You also might find yourself receiving numerous complaints. Not smart.

I just cannot imagine a LEO, especially an older one, playing such games.

[NEOH212]

I kicked the idea of a laser around for a while. I've tried them and I decided they weren't for me.

They have their advantages and disadvantages. I do just fine without them and I don't like the idea that I'd be relying in batteries for my sighting system. Batteries love to fail at the worst opportune times.

Without the laser, it's just one less thing to go wrong and one less thing I have to worry about not working. I'll stick to my iron sights.

They haven't failed me yet!

I also feel that it's way too easy for people to become too reliant on the laser and forget how to use their sights. That can be dangerous.

That's one persons opinion anyhow.

[Walk Soft]

I have several CT lasers.For me it's just an after thought.I always aim with the sights and don't even notice the red dot.
A laser is great for learning trigger control.You might think you have a steady hand when pulling the trigger ,but at 25 yds that dot will be moving far and fast,unless you've good trigger control.Also I think a laser would be valuable when firing from cover,when you'd be afraid to stick your entire head out to acquire the sights.You'd need only to have your nose and your pupil out of cover.

[Seale Team]

Originally Posted by jdavionic

I find this one to be pretty unlikely. If someone is armed and extremely dangerous (not uncommon near the border towns), you might trigger gunfire back at you while standing with a laser toy in your hand. Not smart. You also might find yourself receiving numerous complaints. Not smart.

I just cannot imagine a LEO, especially an older one, playing such games.

Youre probably right. I cant imagine a seasoned cop with his brights shining forward, while he had the cover of his car wanting to see someones hands before he approached. WTH was he thinking?If I see him again, Ill be sure and tell him a guy on the net says he isnt smart. Thanks!

[jdavionic]

Originally Posted by Seale Team

Youre probably right. I cant imagine a seasoned cop with his brights shining forward, while he had the cover of his car wanting to see someones hands before he approached. WTH was he thinking?If I see him again, Ill be sure and tell him a guy on the net says he isnt smart. Thanks!

Lighten up, Francis. If you believe it, that's great. BTW - nobody said a thing about approaching a vehicle with bright lights shining forward. Show me where I cited that one. Nice attempt to twist the bizarre 'practice' into something that is common practice. I specifically cited the laser. And if you or your "buddy" think that's a common LEO practice, I suspect you'll find some differing opinions elsewhere.

And for the record, I am not a LEO, never was one, and have never claimed to be one. I just found the part that I cited as being contradictory to what I would expect the ones that I do know would do or even consider doing. Of course, YMMV.

[Seale Team]

Originally Posted by Schlitz

So his intentions are to convince people in the vehicle that they have weapons drawn on them? Does he do this to just anyone?

Originally Posted by Hef

That's what I was thinking. I would be very upset with an LEO aiming a laser at me (and likely my family) purely to intimidate me. I would have to assume that laser is mounted on a firearm, which is what he would be trying to make me think.

That's how he gets sued. Not smart.

The guy Im speaking about most of you would know if I named him as I see his pic to this day in almost any gun rag you pick up. Im not going to state his name as he hasnt told me I could. It might have been a conversation between him and I only. He was in LE for many years in south CA, may still be in some capacity.

My assumptions of the practice? I'd say he was just another cop working a dangerous area of frequent illegals/drugs/etc and had limited back up. He used a practice that he felt kept him safe and Im betting, again an assumption, that a) The people he was doing it to werent going to be reporting anything and b) If they did, no one was going to care. Different times before it was more important to not profile than to make it home.Lots of things were different in border areas, and everywhere, 15 or so yrs ago.

For the record I too would have been pissed.I also found humor that at the first IDPA Nats, guys were talking about their favorite Glocks. he stated that he had one he never left home without. They excitedly asked which model as he's a devout 1911 guy. He simply said........





.."The shovel."

[Schlitz]

Originally Posted by jdavionic

If someone is armed and extremely dangerous (not uncommon near the border towns), you might trigger gunfire back at you

Even worse - if you're being approached by someone at night on the side of the road with a (what you believe to be) gun drawn on you and you know you've done nothing to warrant such behavior, you may have some reason to believe you're not actually being stopped by a real police officer.

This may (and maybe should) trigger some gun fire from someone who would have otherwise had a decent smooth easy going traffic stop. Not a good idea.


Anywho, I've considered the crimson trace grips, but I could never justify spending half of the price of a handgun on the laser. It just doesn't seem like something I need or would use if something goes down. I think your cash would serve you better in night sights, and to be honest, just a really easy to see glowing front post. When I draw and shoot that's all my eyes are going to be looking for, that front post.

[Lior]

When I go for more than a couple of days using a police or IPSC holster, I often attach a Lasermax Unimax Micro thing under the frame of my CZ Shadow for CCW. Reasons for doing so have been discussed above. It is a nice option to have and an even nicer one not to need.

[SpringerTGO]

Originally Posted by NEOH212

I kicked the idea of a laser around for a while. I've tried them and I decided they weren't for me.

They have their advantages and disadvantages. I do just fine without them and I don't like the idea that I'd be relying in batteries for my sighting system. Batteries love to fail at the worst opportune times.

Without the laser, it's just one less thing to go wrong and one less thing I have to worry about not working. I'll stick to my iron sights.

They haven't failed me yet!

I also feel that it's way too easy for people to become too reliant on the laser and forget how to use their sights. That can be dangerous.

That's one persons opinion anyhow.

If the batteries fail on the laser, the iron sights still work. And just because you have a laser on your weapon it doesn't mean you can't practice without it.
I have a Lasermax on my G26, and I don't even remember the last time I turned it on.

[Tx-SIG229]

my g19 is the only gun i have a laser on. its one of two guns i'm allowed to carry at work (sig p229 is the other). i mostly carry the g19 and have yet to pack the sig. anyhoo, my job requires me to go into bad neighborhooods (no, i'm not LEO) day or night. with the CT laser, i also have night sights on it.

[Clay1]

Two concealed carry guns with CT Laserguards.

Recently at a close range gunfighting class the instructor made an observation that it actually slowed me down some. I verified this with my Pact timmer. During good light, just indexing and pulling the trigger resulted in quicker hits than looking for the dot and then pulling the trigger.

Now having said the above, I am not ready to remove the tool from my two CCWs. They have a very good advantage at night and the place that they shine in not in the very close distances where indexing and shooting will work just fine but I like them at night at distances from past 10 feet.

Don't believe me, take your own gun and a timer and test this for yourself.

[wrenrj1]

Originally Posted by Seale Team

Sort of on topic....I spoke with an older LEO who worked near the border. He said he could approach a car at night, voicing commands with little compliance. One of his kids gave him a key chain with cheap laser on it. He said now when he approaches, he just shines it quickly through the glass and magically, everyone puts their hands up.

Old guys are just cool that way.

I've seen several responses to this post. For the record, that's just stupid. I'm not a cop, but putting a dot on someone may cause return fire. Plus it removes one hand from the weapon. Again, I'm not a cop, just my opinion.

[up1911fan]

Just because you can justify drawing doesn't mean your justified to shoot.

Originally Posted by Glockrunner

Just a side note: I would think (as I was trained) if I had to pull a gun on someone, the're going to get the cap at that point, stop or not, it's too late.

[DISPENSER 4 HIRE]

I agree with most of the advantages, but nobody has mentioned that if you are attempting to stay concealed, the laser gives away your position as well as lighting up your adversary. In effect, both of you are lit up with red dots. This situation may, or may not be important.

[RyanBDawg]

My glock 26 has a crimson trace lasergrip..




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