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Old 04-29-2013, 11:53   #76
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I have a question, which i think might be a useful thought to add this thread. Roughly what months/years were each generation of Glock made? example

Gen1 1985-1995
Gen2 1995-etc etc etc

I know some generations overlap (Gen3 and Gen4 currently do) but i think this would be useful for me (and hopefully some others)
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Old 04-30-2013, 01:44   #77
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If anyone else has this info handy and would post it, that would be great, and here's my "Thank You" in advance!

If not, I'll squeeze that info out of the serial number research thread and put it together in an easy-to-read format sometime in the next week or so.

I agree that this would be handy info to have at hand; thanks for the idea!
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Old 04-30-2013, 15:27   #78
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Here is what I have...

Gen1 1982-1989(~March)
Gen2 (~March) 1989-1997 (~August)
Gen3 (~August) 1997-Present
Gen4 2010-Present
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Here is what I have...
Gen1 1982-1989(~March)
Gen2 (~March) 1989-1997 (~August)
Gen3 (~August) 1997-Present
Gen4 2010-Present
Awesome! I was looking for this information for several days, and could only peice together what decade each Gen started in.
May I ask where you got this information?

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Old 06-13-2013, 14:51   #80
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Great thread

Great thread with awesome info. Thanks for posting it.
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Old 06-18-2013, 22:18   #81
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I'm glad that folks are finding it useful.
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Old 06-28-2013, 21:08   #82
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Glock orange polymer training magazines

It is my understanding that Glock originally designed and manufactured the orange polymer magazines as training mags for law enforcement agencies for several reasons, including:

- to prevent hard-used range training mags from getting mixed-up with duty mags, and

- to make it easier for range safety/training officers to see if a trainee had a magazine inserted in their handgun (even from the far end of the range). A black-polymer mag in the black polymer frame was difficult to see, but a bright orange mag was highly visible, no matter if the pistol was in hand or in holster.

Below are a few photos of some orange training magazines for the Glock model 19 9mm that I owned a few years ago (mags are now sold and gone; these are the pictures I posted when I offered them for sale). These are very early versions of the Glock 19 9mm magazine, as shown by the U-notch metal liner, the lack of caliber markings on the body or follower (indicates Glock was only making pistols in one caliber [9mm] at the time these mags were manufactured), and the non-locking floorplates.

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The orange training magazines were rather rare outside of law enforcement circles until the late 90s or early 2000s, when the Assault Weapon Ban and its related magazine restrictions made full-capacity magazines both expensive and hard to find for non-police personnel. At some point, Glock realized that most of the orange training mags that it had built and warehoused, or had received during agency trade-in upgrades to newer Glock handguns, were legal to be sold, as they had been manufactured before the ban took effect. Eventually, these mags began to pop up at GSSF matches, available for purchase at very reasonable (for the time) prices. I bought the mags pictured above at a GSSF match in the early 2000s.

I have personally owned mags like these for the Glock models 19 and 17 9mms, and I have seen/handled similar mags for the .40 caliber Glock models 22 and 23. Additionally, I have seen photos of, or heard from people I trust, that there were also similar early U-notch/pre-ban orange training mags made for the Glock 21 full-size .45, and the Glock 20 full-size 10mm. Finally, I have seen online photos of other orange Glock mags that appeared to be post-ban (squared-off metal liner notch), in several calibers, along with the old-style +2 extended-capacity floorplates made from the same orange polymer, for 9mm/.40 Glocks.

These orange mags were eventually discontinued by Glock in favor of normal black-polymer mags with orange floorplates, which offered basically the same advantages at the all-orange mags. The Glock factory has made colored polymer magazine floorplates in orange, red, and blue, and the orange and blue can still be found and purchased fairly easily through various sources at this time.

(Various unofficial sources and personal experiences were used to compile the information presented in this post)
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Old 07-21-2013, 13:25   #83
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Great thread with lots of useful facts, thanks OP!

So here's my small contribution to this thread:
In reading Post 58, it is noted that the the 3rd pin molding mark can be seen on DT* series frames. I took a look at my DH series frame and believe that there's a 3rd pin molding mark on this frame. The DH was manufactured in 1999.

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Old 07-23-2013, 20:59   #84
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That is a great photographic example of a "fake 3rd pin" / mold mark!

Thanks for posting it!


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Old 07-31-2013, 07:11   #85
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Interesting thread.

I am guessing the big boys, models 20 and 21, were always three pin models? I have a gen 2 mod 20 (no rail and no groves) that has three pins. This gun is around twenty years old.

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What great information !!!!! I'm certainly glad I joined GT. I'm a happy old newbie........
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Pic of my old gen 2 three pin with some of the serial number showing.



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Old 08-02-2013, 20:59   #88
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Interesting thread.

I am guessing the big boys, models 20 and 21, were always three pin models? I have a gen 2 mod 20 (no rail and no groves) that has three pins. This gun is around twenty years old.

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It certainly makes sense, but I'm not sure on that one; most of my experience is with the small-frame Glocks.

Maybe one of the large-frame Glock aficionados could post what they know about this subject? If so, thanks in advance!
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Old 08-16-2013, 20:29   #89
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Serial number prefixes, and the 2002 frame "recall"

So I'm window shopping in a local gun shop and see a compact Glock with a lower-than-normal price. It looks to be in very good shape, 98%-99%, but it's $100 cheaper than several other similar Glocks in the same display case. I peer at the tag, and the serial number looks strange; it appears to be a number, then 3 letters, then 3 numbers. So I ask to see/handle the pistol, and it all begins to get clearer.

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A normal older Gen3 (flat non-LCI-extractor), in excellent condition. Frame looks positively minty, only minor exterior wear on the metal. Serial number on slide and barrel:

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And serial number on the frame (normal location, under barrel and in front of trigger guard):

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You might be thinking, hmmm, what's going on here; the serial numbers don't match?

Explanation: In 2001, Glock made a bunch of pistols that had a small problem with the metal frame rails that are embedded in the polymer frame. Some of the rails had been formed or hardened incorrectly, and after use, one of the rails would occasionally break off, often causing a stoppage and preventing further firing.

These pistols were all concentrated in the "E" series of serial numbers, such as the one pictured above. All serial numbers that began with "E" were not affected (only some of them had been built with the bad rails), but all the pistols with bad rails were in the "E" series of pistols.

Glock offered to fix (for free) any affected pistol that had a rail break, and also offered to replace the frame on any affected pistol (you had to call Glock Inc. and have them check your serial number to see if it was affected), again, for no cost. They also seriously annoyed many owners/users by terming this program an "upgrade", not a "recall", as in "We'll upgrade your pistol to one that works and shouldn't break." The response from users/owners was along the lines of "If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and we see it in a duck pond..." Most folks treated it as a recall, it's just that the manufacturer never called, owners had to find out about it on their own (and most did).

Anyway, when the pistols were sent back to Glock, they would manufacture a new frame for it. However, there are strict rules about serial numbers only being used once on each model of any particular firearm, and so they couldn't make a new frame with the old number. If they did, even if they intended to destroy the old frame after replacement, for a short time there would be two frame for that particular pistol, both with the same serial number, and that (apparently) is a serious no-no. So Glock did the next best thing; they made a frame that included all of the original serial number, but with a number "1" added to the beginning.

In the case of the above pistol, the serial number does indeed fall into the range of guns that were caught up in the frame rail upgrade/recall. Now, that is not the only reason that a Glock can have a frame replaced at the factory. Another popular reason is because someone has blown-up the pistol, often with hand-loaded, reloaded, or even factory ammunition that was somehow defective. Sometimes the case will blow-out in a downward direction, and the high-pressure gas will damage the frame, with cracking and missing chunks of plastic being common problems under these circumstances. If the barrel and slide are inspected by the factory and cleared for re-use, the frame would be replaced (usually paid for, either by the user or an ammo company) and the pistol would be returned to the owner.

Because there is no quick and easy way to know for sure WHY the frame was replaced, most folks tend to lean toward the worse-case scenario, and shy away from guns with mismatched serial numbers. For this reason, some dealers will end up pricing these guns lower, to get them to sell. I believe that is why the Glock pictured above had a significantly lower price than other similar pistols in the case, and that made it possible for me to pick it up quite reasonably in a trade. It shoots well, exactly to point-of-aim, and I am looking forward to using it regularly.

The approximate serial number range for the frame rail upgrade/recall is EGX*** through ERV***, although you must call Glock Inc. to find out for sure if your pistol is affected by the upgrade (remember, not all pistols in this range will be affected, and there may be ones outside this range, too). As far as I know, this upgrade applied to all frames sizes and calibers.

Here is a photo showing the frame rails involved in the upgrade that break (most often the rear rails are the ones with problems; don't think I've ever seen/heard of a front rail break):

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Old 09-09-2013, 12:18   #90
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Great Thread - Thanx
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Old 09-16-2013, 13:00   #92
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Gen 2 22 frame with gen 3 17 slide and ejector?

Does anyone know if the gun would fit/ function with a gen 2 22 frame and a gen 3 17 upper/ ejector? Called glock and all they would say is that the parts don't match and that they don't recommend it. I think that the guy wasn't very knowledgable and was probably just referring to the ejector.
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Does anyone know if the gun would fit/ function with a gen 2 22 frame and a gen 3 17 upper/ ejector? Called glock and all they would say is that the parts don't match and that they don't recommend it. I think that the guy wasn't very knowledgable and was probably just referring to the ejector.
You can attached a Gen 3 G17 slide to Gen 2 lower, as long as the lower has the Gen 2 locking block.

There are plenty of folks that use conversion barrels to shoot 9mm in .40 guns, so the ejector isn't a deal killer.
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Here's a photo illustration showing the evolution of the Glock 17 with several examples from the late 1980s to today.

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For more information on the items listed below, see the earlier posts in this thread, referenced by post number, next to each item.


Close-up photo of frame gripping surface and other frame differences between generations -- post #1

2 vs. 3 pin frames (the G17 Gen2 and the G17C Gen3) -- post #2

G17 Gen3 RTF2 -- post #3
Close-up of differences between Gen3 RTF2 and Gen4 grip textures -- post #21

Gen1 17L -- post #7
Lightening cuts on Gen1 G17L slide -- post #29
Gen1 G17L porting -- post #30

Gen2 G17 -- post #18

"+2" mag (seen in the Gen1 G17L) -- post #22

Gen3 G17C porting -- post #32


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Another round of thanks for everyone who has participated in this thread, or added kind words about its content. When I started it, I really didn't think it would draw this kind of traffic, but I even get nice notes about it when I'm on other forums, and an occasional email, too. Over fifty-two-thousand views in 20 months just boggles my mind. I hope folks continue to find it helpful and/or interesting.

Happy New Year, and Good Glocking to all!


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DJ Niner, thanks for creating this. I really enjoyed your posts and pictures.

I have a Gen 2 19 from December of 88'. DW prefix. Same year I was born.

I also bought my brother a Gen 2 22. It think it is a CCS or CCN prefix and dates back to 96.

The older Glocks really fascinate me and I find myself looking for them when I go into my local gun stores. That's how I was able to find the 22.

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Great thread DJNiner and thanks for the link since I had not seen it before!

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Fantastic Thread! So much great information. I learned a few things.
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Dear DJ Niner!

This is very awesome thread about GLOCKs! But can your make it more awesome by add more information (mainly pictures) of SMYRNA proof marks and Ges.m.b.H on slides, barrels and frames for Gen3 and Gen4 Glocks?

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There is also USA made GLOCKs with "GLOCK" logo and "P" logo.

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I've never seen that LAST one before, that's for sure!

Have any more info on the Russian assembly location? I'm sure folks would find it interesting.

I don't have too many different proof mark photos that aren't already posted in this thread, but I'll watch for any more I can find.


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