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Old 04-26-2012, 12:42   #1
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Need load info for .45 ACP

I have a couple boxes of Hornady 230 gr HP XTP. I can not find loading data for these. I am going to use WST and CCI primers. Has anyone loaded these before. I am not looking for a max load. Just a plinking round.
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Old 04-26-2012, 13:32   #2
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If you are not looking for upper end loads, you can use the data from Hodgdon for the 230gr FMJFP. http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp As always, work the load up.
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Old 04-26-2012, 13:38   #3
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What Fred said above. The only change I would make to that is Hodgdons shows a COL of 1.200". Hornady's #8 manual shows the same loads for both those bullets but with a differant COL for the HP-XTP they show the HP bullet loaded to a COL of 1.230" so you might try that to the longer col. with the HP.
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Old 04-26-2012, 13:39   #4
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6.2 grns of Unique. Classic load. And very accurate with most 230 weight bullets.
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Old 04-26-2012, 14:01   #5
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No WST

The Hodgdon website does not have a load for WST in 230 gr bullets.
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Old 04-26-2012, 14:03   #6
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yes it does

FOUND IT. Sorry Fred. You were right.
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Old 04-26-2012, 14:55   #7
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Old 04-26-2012, 20:15   #8
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Lot's of good info on this web site.
http://handloads.com/loaddata/defaul...Powder&Source=
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Old 04-26-2012, 22:41   #9
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As a starting point, I'll suggest 4.5gr WST 1.230" OAL.
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Old 04-27-2012, 08:29   #10
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What Fred said.

I found WST to be easy to work with. Meters well and responds in a linear way to increases in charge weight in the middle range. It shoots clean, too. Not much smoke. I use it in competition and it is very consistent !

I was able to dial in just the right power factor -- with enough margin to keep the chronograph police away.
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Old 04-27-2012, 12:26   #11
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One of my favorite .45 loads is a 230gr FMJ seated to around 1.240" using 5grs of WST. Groups very well and seems to recoil less than 6grs of Unique, both churning up practically identical velocities. I suspect your 230gr XTP's would work well with this.
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One of my favorite .45 loads is a 230gr FMJ seated to around 1.240" using 5grs of WST. Groups very well and seems to recoil less than 6grs of Unique, both churning up practically identical velocities. I suspect your 230gr XTP's would work well with this.
BTW, I would consider that max @ that OAL, caution.
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Old 04-27-2012, 21:23   #13
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One of my favorite .45 loads is a 230gr FMJ seated to around 1.240" using 5grs of WST. Groups very well and seems to recoil less than 6grs of Unique, both churning up practically identical velocities. I suspect your 230gr XTP's would work well with this.
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BTW, I would consider that max @ that OAL, caution.
Hodgdon's listed max for 230gr FMJ's is 4.9gr WST @ 1.20" OAL (848fps/16,100 CUP). I can't seem to find a reputable source that says what max CUP for 45 is, but Hodgdon's data goes as high as 17,700 CUP. Would adding 0.1gr with a much longer OAL (1.24") really worry you?

On a side note, I have loaded Zero 230gr JHP's over 4.5gr WST @ 1.25" OAL. It's an accurate load, but it barely cycles the slide on my GEN 4 G21. The brass spits about 4-6" straight up, and drops at my feet. Just load 5-10rds each @ 4.3/4.5/4.7/4.9gr, and see which one you and your gun like best.


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Hodgdon's listed max for 230gr FMJ's is 4.9gr WST @ 1.20" OAL (848fps/16,100 CUP). I can't seem to find a reputable source that says what max CUP for 45 is, but Hodgdon's data goes as high as 17,700 CUP. Would adding 0.1gr with a much longer OAL (1.24") really worry you?

On a side note, I have loaded Zero 230gr JHP's over 4.5gr WST @ 1.25" OAL. It's an accurate load, but it barely cycles the slide on my GEN 4 G21. The brass spits about 4-6" straight up, and drops at my feet. Just load 5-10rds each @ 4.3/4.5/4.7/4.9gr, and see which one you and your gun like best.


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That load (or even 4.3gr) runs my Gen3 21SF just fine.

OTOH, if your brass drops at your feet, you don't have to go far to pick it up.
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Old 04-28-2012, 09:31   #15
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Hodgdon's listed max for 230gr FMJ's is 4.9gr WST @ 1.20" OAL (848fps/16,100 CUP). I can't seem to find a reputable source that says what max CUP for 45 is, but Hodgdon's data goes as high as 17,700 CUP. Would adding 0.1gr with a much longer OAL (1.24") really worry you?

On a side note, I have loaded Zero 230gr JHP's over 4.5gr WST @ 1.25" OAL. It's an accurate load, but it barely cycles the slide on my GEN 4 G21. The brass spits about 4-6" straight up, and drops at my feet. Just load 5-10rds each @ 4.3/4.5/4.7/4.9gr, and see which one you and your gun like best.

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Depends. Pressures do not go up in a linear fashion. THe faster the powder the steeper the curve. SO while 4.9gr may be fine, 5gr may spike verti. Clays is one of those powders, there is no a liitle over for certain powder/bullet combos.
Yes OAL matters, the faster the powder & smaller the case volume & heavier the bullet, it matters more. SO while I would not be worried about 5gr in a gun I worked up the load for, it might be over pressure in another gun w/ diff brass & primers. When working top end loads, everything matters. THus a word of caution is in order.
Yep, 4.5gr is very soft, maybe 780fps+. I use 4.5gr under a 230grLRN to duplicate ball ammo.
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The SAAMI pressure limit for the .45 ACP is set at 21000 psi
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The SAAMI pressure limit for the .45 ACP is set at 21000 psi
CUP & PSI are not the sme as you know & there is no direct conversion. A lot fo newer powders are doen in psi & the older ones in cup, it does cause confusion as to what is a safe pressure.
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Old 05-01-2012, 20:33   #18
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i use aa#5 with a 230gr cast lead. i drop 8.3grs and it runs 795 fps in my g30 with a kkm barrel. with the zero 230 fmj i drop 8.0grs and it runs at 753 fps. i don't load hot.
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i use aa#5 with a 230gr cast lead. i drop 8.3grs and it runs 795 fps in my g30 with a kkm barrel. with the zero 230 fmj i drop 8.0grs and it runs at 753 fps. i don't load hot.
You should reverse your numbers. You want to load lead bullets w/ the lighter charge wt.
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I've been using 230g cast lead with 9.0g of AA#5 for a snappy load in a G30 with a KKM barrel that will eject the cases !!!
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