[FatBoy]

Originally Posted by glockeglock

Zealot does not equal expert or professional.

Definitions:

zealot An immoderate, fanatical, or extremely zealous adherent to a cause, esp a religious one.

zealotry: fanaticism: excessive intolerance of opposing views.


A zealot is not someone who knows a lot about something or has a lot of experience in something. A zealot might know a lot about something or not know much at all about something. An expert or professional might be a zealot, but not necessarily. In fact, as a broad generalization, most true and experienced experts and professionals would be less inclined to zealotry.

More often, zealots are persons who are fairly new to a particular thing, have experienced some success at it, are very excited about it and want to share their excitement. They have found a specific program, method, belief or set of steps that worked for them and want to help others share in the same success by teaching them that very same pattern.

Examples of persons likely to become zealots might be an alcoholic who has completed five steps of AA or an obese person who lost 100 pounds on a cool new diet or a drug addict who got clean through God. We have all met such persons.

The first problem with zealots is they get real preachy and long winded and boring. We all get the subject is exciting to them. We all get that they gained success through their method. We are all happy for them. We try to be polite, but really we don't want to hear it.

The second problem, is the zealot is usually slow about understanding that their definition of success isn't everyone's and their program for success isn't what everyone wants and no one really wants to hear their entire story just to learn a teeny tiny part of it. When they do figure it out, they get all bent out of shape and butt hurt as if it was a personal insult.

So please, Mr. Zealot. I like you. Really, I do. I respect you. Honest. But seriously, I had just hoped you knew one teeny tiny piece of information that my lowly inept self could not find. That is all. I do not want to read your soliloquy in the hopes that the one teeny tiny piece of information is in there...especially when it's not.

Just answer the simple question to the best of your ability or don't. That is all.

(And hypocrisy being my greatest virtue, I got all preachy. LOL)

Oh my has this thread gone off the tracks.

[Bolster]

Originally Posted by glockeglock

...More often, zealots are persons who are fairly new to a particular thing, have experienced some success at it...The first problem with zealots is they get real preachy and long winded and boring...

I think I understand.

So take a hypothetical. A young guy with virtually no experience at his job (or anything) gives a good speech, and the establishment decides to elect him president because of how he looks and sounds and that he says the "correct" things. Once president, he gets really preachy, and since he has no practical experience, or any skills other than speechifying, he substitutes his ideology instead.

As his ideology fails to produce results, he doubles down and calls for even more severe ideological fixes that will make everything even worse. He decides he can stay in power by dividing a nation against itself, as that's what his ideology calls for.

Would that count as an example of zealotry?

[dudel]

I get them (3 gal and 5 gal) from the bakery in the local supermarket. Icing/frosting is shipped in them.

What I like is that they have O rings in the top and seal very well. What I like even better is that they are free (YMMV).

What's not so much fun is cleaning out the leftover icing (although the chocolate fudge isn't too bad)

[Toyman]

Originally Posted by glockeglock

Zealot does not equal expert or professional.

You can cry about zealots all day long, but just look at how many answers you received, and I came really close to not posting mine.

I know there are guys with many links to cool stuff, but I doubt you're going to see any of them.

[SFCSMITH(RET)]

Originally Posted by Toyman

You can cry about zealots all day long, but just look at how many answers you received, and I came really close to not posting mine.

I know there are guys with many links to cool stuff, but I doubt you're going to see any of them.

You know, I can't for sure figure out why the Zealots comment has made me feel the way I do now.

This is not the first post I have seen here that really seems to be a "I need justification", or "I already know it all" or "I have already thought it through and KNOW I am right"..

And yet they are asking a question that makes it seem.. maybe not.

There are hundreds of years of experience in here, and most of those people are willing to freely share it. That is a good thing, I think. But I know that now, I doubt I (for one) will bother. I came into the S&P forum to learn and share, not find another arfcom.

I have grain to grind, venison to can, more garden to plant, firewood to get stacked, ammo to reload, bread to bake, and about another 500 "living the lifestyle" things to get done...

No need to come here to be told I am a buttwipe because of an attempt to share knowledge gained since I bought my first 250lbs of grain and a crappy little grinder back in '77.

[Toyman]

Originally Posted by SFCSMITH(RET)

You know, I can't for sure figure out why the Zealots comment has made me feel the way I do now.

Maybe, just maybe, you're like me. Sometimes when someone asks a question you're somewhat familiar with, you truly want to reply to help.

So you spend a considerable amount of time, from 5 minutes to an hour or more looking for specific web pages to refer the person to. You spend the time to attempt to write a coherent reply only to get something like "That's not what I asked!".

These people don't realize that there are people who see replies like that, and have the perfect answer, but just think to themselves "I'm not replying to that jerk".

I've done it. I've seen stuff go unanswered for days when I knew the exact answer, just because someone was being a jerk.

[Protus]

Originally Posted by SFCSMITH(RET)

You know, I can't for sure figure out why the Zealots comment has made me feel the way I do now.

This is not the first post I have seen here that really seems to be a "I need justification", or "I already know it all" or "I have already thought it through and KNOW I am right"..

And yet they are asking a question that makes it seem.. maybe not.

There are hundreds of years of experience in here, and most of those people are willing to freely share it. That is a good thing, I think. But I know that now, I doubt I (for one) will bother. I came into the S&P forum to learn and share, not find another arfcom.

I have grain to grind, venison to can, more garden to plant, firewood to get stacked, ammo to reload, bread to bake, and about another 500 "living the lifestyle" things to get done...

No need to come here to be told I am a buttwipe because of an attempt to share knowledge gained since I bought my first 250lbs of grain and a crappy little grinder back in '77.

well said.
And arfcom's SF aint that bad...come on... not like it used to be though LOL. Like any forum you get your *********s from time to time. I always like arfcom for the reason that if you came there talking out your ass you got jumped for it ( for example this one guy who calimed he could hump 120 lbs over 20 miles with 4K in elevation change in under 6 hours or some j***). Anyway LOL.

I just get a kick out of the folks who have just started preparing in the last 5 years who are now all "experts". I almost do wish it was 1990 again,,when the web wasnt much and to learn how to prepare you used the grey matter between your ears and your hands and not just the computer screen.

[expatman]

I have several very large plastic tubs that I am willing to part with for free.



All I ask is that you tell us all what you plan to do with them, and you change your username to "Tubby".



I am just playing! I could not resist after reading through this thread.

[Stevekozak]

Originally Posted by expatman

I have several very large plastic tubs that I am willing to part with for free.



All I ask is that you tell us all what you plan to do with them, and you change your username to "Tubby".



I am just playing! I could not resist after reading through this thread.

Tubby!! I like it!! I was thinking OP needed to take the panties off those nuns before he puts them in the tubs, as he has his own in quite a bunch!!

[nyycanseco33]

Originally Posted by glockeglock

I'm going to store the legs and arms of nuns and school marms. They're too long for a bucket. /sarcasm off

I appreciate your concern, but I didn't ask about comparing tubs to buckets, nor am I concerned about the weight of the loaded tub.

Why is it that a person can't ask a question in this forum without getting a lecture? I'm a big boy. I ask for the help I need. Please trust me to figure out the rest. Thank you.


Fatboy and Fletchman. Thank you. I'll check those out.

You are by far the rudest person on this particular thread, he wasn't lecturing you but instead trying to get more info to maybe help you out or give you a direction that you may not have originally considered... Your attitude is unwanted and it's people like you who make this place unbearable due to the high amount or sarcasm and negative responses


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