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Old 04-26-2012, 11:04   #51
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I have long thought that the Mini-30 is a great answer to the "farm Rifle" question especially in experienced hands, and fortunately it is one of the more reasonable, from a financial standpoint, rifles to get experience with. If I were to start my collection/battery, all over again I am almost certain that a Mini-30 would be one of the first rifles, if not the first, centerfire I would put in the rack for my place.
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Old 04-26-2012, 14:13   #52
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The .30-30 is a decade older than the .30-06, which i'm pretty sure your guy wouldn't have much bad to say about, and about a decade older than the .45 ACP (introduced in 1905) and the 9mm (1902).

Age has nothing to do with it.
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Old 04-26-2012, 14:55   #53
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It really depends on how much $ you want to spend.

It is never too late for an M14

My GP rifle is a light weight AR10 in 260rem and I wouldn't want something else.

If Wolf comes out with cheapo non brass Grendel ammo (as they announced), you might consider a Grendel upper. It's a nice deer round.
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Old 04-26-2012, 14:58   #54
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If you like the 10/22, check out the 44 mag carbine if you can find one..I love mine! They are light and handy and pack a punch!

It is a great truck gun. Depending what time of the year it is and what i'm doing dictates what gun I have. I usually always have a 410 snake tamer and a 22lr pistol in the truck this time of year. During hunting season, it's usually a couple 12 gauges and a deer rifle of some sorts...I keep an AR behind my back seat as well with a few loaded mags and spare boxes of ammo. More often than not, the 44 carbine is on the backseat though.



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Old 04-26-2012, 15:14   #55
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Marlin .30-30 with XS ghost ring sights.

Add sling, 3 boxes of ammo, zero and you're in business.
You mean like this?

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Old 04-26-2012, 15:28   #56
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Gentlefolk,

I am now pretty well fixed in the handgun area, but my rifle situation needs help. All I have is a 12ga and an SKS.

The Ruger Mini 30 looks like the type of rifle that would work best but am looking for ideas and options.

Why? You have an SKS! Lighter, lots of aftermarket support, and tapco makes fine magazines that will reliably feed 30 rounds.

Thanks for any thoughts and options!
People have been chiming in for a lever-action 30-30, when 7.62x39 is balisticly similar, anyway! Why have 2 cartriges that do the same thing? Just work the SKS over a little, and it'll be a fantastic ranch rifle. Loaded with soft-tip or hollow-points, I'd feel relatively safe if a bear started to charge, from a safe distance. If it's close up, you better be pretty handy at working that bolt, on an 'aught-six.
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The nice thing about the Mini-30 vs. the SKS is that, being a modern design, it is drop-safe. The SKS is not at all drop-safe in any of it's most-convenient carry modes. (That's not the design of the gun, but the way they were manufactured. This can be put back, rather easily.) It is also easily scoped, while most SKS scope configurations compromise ease of loading, have to take into account the directions the SKS ejects shells, and/or have mounting stability issues. (Not really an issue, as 7.62x39 falls off quick after about 200, unless you can't see that far easily. Then, just use a scout scope.)

The 7.62 x 39 is an acceptable round for deer or black bear. Your 12ga. with slugs will take down brown bears just fine.
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Old 04-26-2012, 15:34   #57
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Old 04-26-2012, 15:37   #58
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People have been chiming in for a lever-action 30-30, when 7.62x39 is balisticly similar, anyway! Why have 2 cartriges that do the same thing? Just work the SKS over a little, and it'll be a fantastic ranch rifle. Loaded with soft-tip or hollow-points, I'd feel relatively safe if a bear started to charge, from a safe distance. If it's close up, you better be pretty handy at working that bolt, on an 'aught-six.

As I said before the round itself is a pretty good ranch round, but until they load it with a 170 gn bullet it's not going to be the TERMINAL the same thing as a 30-30 on an upset ursine.
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Just reread your original post and noticed you said brown bear, not black. In that case Might wanna load that shotgun with Brenneke slugs or get the Marlin in .45-70.

In all reality though my original posted suggestions would still probably be okay, but I might step the bolt action rifle up to a .30-06 or larger.

Marlin 1895G in .45-70 "Gummint"!!!!

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Old 04-26-2012, 16:27   #60
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Cloudbuster,

Your assessment of the area is spot on. I think the most violent thing I have run across is a pair of racoons that came into the house.

A .223 would be adequate for any reasonable threat, but then so is my .40 Glock... But...

I usually just carry a handgun of some flavor when I trapse the hills of the farm. And my 10/22 did well in taking out my maurauding turtles.

But,since I have this urge to get something that goes bang, it may as well serve a tangible function....

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Old 04-26-2012, 16:31   #61
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The .30-30 is a decade older than the .30-06, which i'm pretty sure your guy wouldn't have much bad to say about, and about a decade older than the .45 ACP (introduced in 1905) and the 9mm (1902).

Age has nothing to do with it.
And I DO like the 30-06...would like to go that route sometime.

The .30-30s I have handled, but not fired, are light and narrow, much more so than a .45-70...but I claim no great knowledge of rifles. Thismis my first explore beyond the 10/22 and SKS which I got because they wereb oo cheap NOT to get.

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Old 04-26-2012, 16:38   #62
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Spoken like a man who's never seen a real bear charge.


If you ever are so unfortunate as to be involved in one, you will be very, very lucky to unsling your rifle, and get two shots off.

I got off two, and I had my rifle unslung before the charge started.


If you're messing with a real bear, you need a real caliber. 7.62x39 is not big enough to stop a bear.
Read the OP's and my whole posts dillhole:

a) Not talking about your Alaska Bears
b) Bear is jumping up out of the bush
c) I said my choice was a .45-70
d) And I still say 10 rounds of 7.62x39 will put Yogi down.

You'd be surprised how fast and accurate some people can pull the trigger.

And no I have not faced a charging bear. Nor do I want to. But if I have 75 yards on the Bear (like on a farm...) - he will not make it to me alive. If i am in the bush, I'm sporting 12g slugs or .375 or .45-70.

Read doofus.
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It really depends on how much $ you want to spend.

It is never too late for an M14

My GP rifle is a light weight AR10 in 260rem and I wouldn't want something else.

If Wolf comes out with cheapo non brass Grendel ammo (as they announced), you might consider a Grendel upper. It's a nice deer round.
Love to have an M14...priced a little dear for me right now...
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Read the OP's and my whole posts dillhole:

a) Not talking about your Alaska Bears
b) Bear is jumping up out of the bush
c) I said my choice was a .45-70
d) And I still say 10 rounds of 7.62x39 will put Yogi down.

You'd be surprised how fast and accurate some people can pull the trigger.

And no I have not faced a charging bear. Nor do I want to. But if I have 75 yards on the Bear (like on a farm...) - he will not make it to me alive. If i am in the bush, I'm sporting 12g slugs or .375 or .45-70.

Read doofus.

Pretty sure I read in the OP, and it said brown bears were on the menu.

30-30 Rimmed, is unsat selection for such aminals.


But carry on with your bad self
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I agree with what several people on here have said. Get an autoloading 308 of some kind that you like. I have a DPMS 308 that's a tackdriver and holds 20 rounds, they come in all sizes. An M1A SOCOM would also be right at the top of my list if you can afford it!
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Gentlefolk,

I am now pretty well fixed in the handgun area, but my rifle situation needs help. All I have is a 12ga and an SKS.

The Ruger Mini 30 looks like the type of rifle that would work best but am looking for ideas and options.

Some type of general,purpose semiauto that could be used for self defence but powerful enough to take out larger animals if needed...brown bear being the largest possible threat in the area, but that would be a very last resort use.


Thanks for any thoughts and options!
If there is a potential for Brown Bear, I would go for a Marlin lever action in 45-70. The Marlin action is strong enough that you can use the Buffalo Bore magnum loads.

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The one time I fired a .45-70 it took a week for my shoulder to recover...
Then, you're not shooting what I'm shooting!!!

The first thing I did, is to remove the 'original' recoil pad, er. . . brick, and replaced it with a Limbsaver® pad.

Second, I worked up a load with Reloader 7 (RL-7) and some Cast Performance 405 gr LWNGC 'boolits'.
The RL-7 gives great accuracy and great performance, with pressures that are lower than other suitable powders in the .45-70.
(No need to 'hot rod' this grand ole catridge!!)

Still, these loads perform!
When sighting in, I fired 3 shots into the target, and then went downrange to check/change the target.
My youngest son walked downrange with me, and walked to the berm (about 10 feet behind the target) and yelled to me.
When I walked over to him, he had his right arm inserted into the hole left by those three shots, past his elbow!!
He was also making a fist!
So, three shots. One big hole, about 16" deep.

Recoil is comparable to a 20 gauge shotgun, with these loads.
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You said you're pretty well fixed in the handgun area, but if you're looking for a bear defense gun a handgun is the way to go. Having living in the mountains of extreme north west North Carolina for a while(my father still lives there) we ran into more than a few black bears, while we never had to acually shoot one(luckily warning shots were enough) I just like the mobility of a hand gun, Ruger Super Red Hawk 44 mag was always a good choice, but with double taps new 230gr hard cast stuff for the 10mm, a glock 20 became my go to bear gun really quickly. That being said, if I had to go with a rifle, as others said, 45/70 heaviest bullet you can find in a marlin guide gun, or if you can take the recoil the 444 hits like a mack truck also
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Cloudbuster,

Your assessment of the area is spot on. I think the most violent thing I have run across is a pair of racoons that came into the house.

A .223 would be adequate for any reasonable threat, but then so is my .40 Glock... But...

I usually just carry a handgun of some flavor when I trapse the hills of the farm. And my 10/22 did well in taking out my maurauding turtles.

But,since I have this urge to get something that goes bang, it may as well serve a tangible function....
Bud, I've got a ridiculous amount of guns with only the slimmest excuses for why I need them. Mini-30 sounds like a great, fun gun and I hope you get much enjoyment! Don't know what part of SE Ohio you're in, but I've seen/gotten really good deals at Coyote Ridge Firearms in Senecaville and at The Brickyard Gun Shop in Glouster. Enjoy!
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Pretty sure I read in the OP, and it said brown bears were on the menu.

30-30 Rimmed, is unsat selection for such aminals.


But carry on with your bad self
It was a misidentification. Only black bears in the OP's area and even they are very rare.
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The one time I fired a .45-70 it took a week for my shoulder to recover...
What kind of loads were you shooting? I thought the recoil on my Sharps Carbine was down right pleasant. Of course I was using a case full of Pyrodex and a 405gr home cast bullet but still,LOL.
There are 3 different power levels with the 45/70 that you can load it to.
Standard stuff for older single shot rifles like the Sharps and Remington Rolling Block. Mid-range stuff for Marlin lever guns and really hot loads for the Ruger #1. The Ruger #1 loads get real close to 458 Win Mag specs.
I'd think a standard load(405gr bullet @1200-1300fps) would be a pretty soft load to shoot in something like a Marlin lever action.
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People have been chiming in for a lever-action 30-30, when 7.62x39 is balisticly similar, anyway!
Veed, you comment on the drop-safe issue with "(That's not the design of the gun, but the way they were manufactured. This can be put back, rather easily.)" Are you talking about installing a spring-loaded firing pin?

I've done that on both my SKSes, and while that gives me a lot of comfort, and is probably good enough, the fact is that there is still no firing pin block on an SKS, and the only two convenient ways of carrying them loaded are with an open bolt (possible to slam-fire with only the stock free-floating pin if the bolt gets caught on a branch) or closed bolt with a chambered round -- probably you'd have to drop it from quite a height to overcome the spring on the firing pin, but, say you're 30 feet up in a tree stand hunting deer (actually illegal to use an SKS for deer in Ohio, but a possibility elsewhere) then maybe that's a possibility.

I honestly don't know if anything more than the spring-loaded firing pin is required to make the SKS drop safe, but I do know that the SKS is the only rifle or handgun I've ever had slam-fire on me (and go into full auto mode because the firing pin jammed! Wow, was that a shock! Good thing it was pointed in a safe direction -- that rule's there for a reason!), which is what motivated me to get the spring-loaded pins. I think the spring-loaded pins are tremendously safer.

I think most people don't even know the spring-loaded firing pins are an option, so it's definitely worth pointing out to people that consider the SKS as a truck gun/farm gun/general knock-around gun that the SKS is one of the least safe rifles out there to keep loaded with the free-floating firing pins that come stock on almost all of them
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What kind of loads were you shooting? I thought the recoil on my Sharps Carbine was down right pleasant. Of course I was using a case full of Pyrodex and a 405gr home cast bullet but still,LOL.
There are 3 different power levels with the 45/70 that you can load it to.
Standard stuff for older single shot rifles like the Sharps and Remington Rolling Block. Mid-range stuff for Marlin lever guns and really hot loads for the Ruger #1. The Ruger #1 loads get real close to 458 Win Mag specs.
I'd think a standard load(405gr bullet @1200-1300fps) would be a pretty soft load to shoot in something like a Marlin lever action.


My RL-7 loads are running right at 1,600 fps and they are down-right pleasant to shoot. (40.0 gr RL-7.) Now, you step up to 42.5 grains, and they start to 'thump' your shoulder quite a bit.
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People have been chiming in for a lever-action 30-30, when 7.62x39 is balisticly similar, anyway!
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I don't think anybody is saying one round is better than the other so much as they are saying the 30/30 rifle itself is shorter,lighter,easier to handle ,and safer to carry around on a farm than an SKS.
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