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04-24-2012, 11:13
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Unarmed man attempts to rob EMU student of holstered gun
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04-24-2012, 11:18
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Racist news coverage
right from the story:
"The man is described as black and in his early 20s, with a thin build and a beard. He was wearing a black hooded sweatshirt, red shirt, dark pants and gray and orange tennis shoes."
Why mention that he was black? What a racist news story (yuk yuk).
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04-24-2012, 11:47
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I'm sure we will be hearing from the open carry advocates about how this is an anomaly and that open carry still makes sense.
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04-24-2012, 11:50
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He was wearing a hoodie... were there skittles involved? 
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04-24-2012, 11:53
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garnered much more attention than sought. i'll stick to blaring stereo at intersections...
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04-24-2012, 11:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Spade
No, open carry did not prevent this.
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Just trying to be clear on your comment, Sam.
Do you feel that OC caused it?
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04-24-2012, 12:08
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Interesting.
Seems like some bad guys will try to grab whatever they want.
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04-24-2012, 12:21
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That's exactly why I will carry concealed, even if open carry is permitted.
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04-24-2012, 12:25
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for lack of a better comparison, open carry is in line with wearing expensive jewlry or carrying a purse. the open carried gun is a valuable item exposed to theives.
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04-24-2012, 14:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboywannabe
for lack of a better comparison, open carry is in line with wearing expensive jewlry or carrying a purse. The open carried gun is a valuable item exposed to theives.
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bingo!
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04-24-2012, 15:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike52
Just trying to be clear on your comment, Sam.
Do you feel that OC caused it?
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Two part answer: first, you'll soon see a common jingo on this board WRT crime, "Open carry would have prevented this." When it's not a mocking statement, it's an advocate telling us how OC is a major deterrent. That drove the form of my comment.
Second, yes. I'm firmly convinced that the non-situationally aware doofus who was busy treating his pistol as a tailsman and political statement caused the robbery attempt in large part due to his choice of open carry.
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04-24-2012, 15:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboywannabe
for lack of a better comparison, open carry is in line with wearing expensive jewlry or carrying a purse. the open carried gun is a valuable item exposed to theives.
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Open carry scares normal middle class people and scavenger criminals. It doesn't scare predators, who shoot and get shot, for a living, and who will just assess it on its merits as a possible score.
Luckily, most open carriers do it in places like malls and Wal-Mart, so it doesn't really matter. Except that they don't realize it is the class of people they are showing it to, not the presense of the gun, that is the operative factor in nobody trying to take it from them.
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04-24-2012, 15:29
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He was wearing a black hooded sweatshirt, red shirt, dark pants and gray and orange tennis shoes.
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Probably a University of Tennessee football player.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/tennessee-...in-194782.html
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04-24-2012, 15:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster
right from the story:
"The man is described as black and in his early 20s, with a thin build and a beard. He was wearing a black hooded sweatshirt, red shirt, dark pants and gray and orange tennis shoes."
Why mention that he was black? What a racist news story (yuk yuk).
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It's not racist, they are giving a description of the guy. Get real!
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04-24-2012, 15:53
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From the clothing description, the BG sounds like Bozo The Clown.
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04-24-2012, 16:45
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The sad part is, open carry may have been the only way for him to carry most of his day. The article stated the intended victim was a student at EMU. Michigan law states those with a CPL may not carry concealed into classrooms and dormitories of a college or university. Carrying openly in those areas are legal with a CPL. I realize he was on the street and could have covered it before the incident took place, though.
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04-24-2012, 17:37
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It is a risk of open carrying, and it is certainly not the first time this has happened. Did the gun owner have a holster with retention to help mitigate the risk?
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04-24-2012, 17:38
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Seems to me that Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton and the gang ought to give this student an award for not shooting this hooded black male for attacking him. He chose a different response when attacked than Zimmerman did. I'm sure they will never mention this though.
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04-24-2012, 18:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Spade
Second, yes. I'm firmly convinced that the non-situationally aware doofus who was busy treating his pistol as a tailsman and political statement caused the robbery attempt in large part due to his choice of open carry.
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It would put the cause of the robbery squarely on the person doing the robbery, not the person being robbed.
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04-24-2012, 18:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboywannabe
for lack of a better comparison, open carry is in line with wearing expensive jewlry or carrying a purse. the open carried gun is a valuable item exposed to theives.
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Indeed it is an expensive item exposed to thieves. So is a vehicle. What's the point?
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04-24-2012, 18:29
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Originally Posted by dnuggett
Indeed it is an expensive item exposed to thieves. So is a vehicle. What's the point?
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I suppose you could take the cash out of you wallet and tuck it partly in/out of your back pocket too.
Or you could park your car with the window down and keys in the ignition. Or, park the same and put your keys above the visor (above the open window).
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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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04-24-2012, 18:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheeBadOne
I suppose you could take the cash out of you wallet and tuck it partly in/out of your back pocket too.
Or you could park your car with the window down and keys in the ignition. Or, park the same and put your keys above the visor (above the open window).
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Or I could park on my driveway instead of in the garage. And if I do that then I suppose I'm the cause if it gets stolen, since I could have parked in the garage?
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04-24-2012, 19:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dnuggett
Or I could park on my driveway instead of in the garage. And if I do that then I suppose I'm the cause if it gets stolen, since I could have parked in the garage?
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The point they're making is that if you leave something out to be seen, don't be surprised if it ends up being a target for people with less-than-lovely intentions.
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04-24-2012, 19:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by slickt0mmy
The point they're making is that if you leave something out to be seen, don't be surprised if it ends up being a target for people with less-than-lovely intentions.
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I understand what point TheeBadOne is trying to make. That said I would be surprised if I got car jacked or if I woke up and my truck was gone. And I wouldn't feel guilt, as if I were the cause.
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04-24-2012, 19:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dnuggett
I understand what point TheeBadOne is trying to make. That said I would be surprised if I got car jacked or if I woke up and my truck was gone. And I wouldn't feel guilt, as if I were the cause.
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You're right. You wouldn't be the cause and have no reason to feel guilty. But you must also recognize that you did not take the necessary steps to prevent the theft from taking place either.
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