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Old 04-26-2012, 18:40   #76
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i heard they where not as accurate as some because of the way they apply the chrome. just sayin'.


quality yes, most accurate? maybe not.
I've shot Colts ( and darn near every thing else) and have never gotten a true 3/4 MOA shooting CL AR barrel.

Can you give me the specs on your setup?
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Old 04-26-2012, 18:46   #77
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Solyndra?
What did Solyndra make for the US Armed Forces?
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Old 04-26-2012, 19:01   #78
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I've shot Colts ( and darn near every thing else) and have never gotten a true 3/4 MOA shooting CL AR barrel.

Can you give me the specs on your setup?

not sure who sourced the barrel but the gun is CDD. its shoots TRU 55gr. and PP m193 as good as i can shoot.

cant say i have ever seen a true 3/4 MOA M4 either but for hunting/ect. it matters not to me.

now it if was to want to shoot in paper/bench matches, thats what they make match barrels for and again DPMS is not my first choice.
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Old 04-26-2012, 19:05   #79
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not sure who sourced the barrel but the gun is CDD. its shoots TRU 55gr. and PP m193 as good as i can shoot.

cant say i have ever seen a true 3/4 MOA M4 either but for hunting/ect. it matters not to me.

now it if was to want to shoot in paper/bench matches, thats what they make match barrels for and again DPMS is not my first choice.
So your gun does not shoot as you said it does??????

If you do not shoot matches (bench, NRA HP, etc?...then how do you know what works and what does not??
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Old 04-26-2012, 19:12   #80
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So your gun does not shoot as you said it does??????

If you do not shoot matches (bench, NRA HP, etc?...then how do you know what works and what does not??

it shoot exactly what i said it shoots, sub MOA. why are you busting my balls?

your the one who's claiming to know what works and what does not in a paper rifle match. if DPMS works for you then great.
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YOU stated that your "chrome lined 16" carbine" shoots ""sub .7xx consistantly with factory ammo""

I asked what your gun is built up and what ammo/optics you used. YOU stated,

"not sure who sourced the barrel but the gun is CDD. its shoots TRU 55gr. and PP m193 as good as i can shoot.

cant say i have ever seen a true 3/4 MOA M4 either but for hunting/ect. it matters not to me."


Hell, I've never seen any gun shoot M193 sub .7xx.
But you said yours did....then said you never saw one either.
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Old 04-26-2012, 19:29   #82
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YOU stated that your "chrome lined 16" carbine" shoots ""sub .7xx consistantly with factory ammo""

Hell, I've never seen any gun shoot M193 sub .7xx.

nope. thats not what i said.



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above sub .7xx consistantly with factory ammo.


as in higher.

take a chill pill or something.

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Ahhh.... above sub .7xx. Clear as mud.

So if you shoot at ranges under 1,000 yards, you shoot sub 1,000 yards.

But if you shoot over 1,000, you shoot above sub 1,000.

I know what you meant in "above". You meant the criteria I listed above that post, and that your gun shoots "sub .7xx" based on that criteria.

Then you got caught up in your web.
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Old 04-26-2012, 19:36   #84
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nope. thats not what i said.






as in higher.

take a chill pill or something.
Quoted for posterity.
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Ahhh....
I know what you meant in "above". You meant the criteria I listed above that post, and that your gun shoots "sub .7xx" based on that criteria.

Then you got caught up in your web.

nice try my man. it was a play on your words mocking you because i could never be as good. but nice try.
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meanwhile back at the ranch................
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Old 04-26-2012, 19:46   #87
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Indeed, enough of the lies.


I wish Rem all the luck in the world. Competition in the business world is ALWAYS good for the consumer.

If Rem wins, we win. Hopefully the quality of the Gov Contract Rem M4 trickles down to their "civilian" line of guns.
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Indeed, enough of the lies.


yes, enough.

im just a newb that you trolled for and caught me in my tangled web of lies...




couldnt be my game was so far above yours your didnt even know what was happening.



/yawn

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Old 04-26-2012, 20:15   #89
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Mine, you're starting to look like Grizzly Adams!
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Didn't Bushmaster have a government, M16, contract? Is Remington getting some input from their Bushy brethren under the Freedom Group, isn't this where all their AR's generated?

What other companies were trying for this contract, I wonder? Were any other Freedom Group companies trying (DPMS/Bushy)? I'm sure Colt tried, but did FN?

Besides bids and an American company, what does the government look for in a company to produce 'mil-spec'? Did Remington produce a sample already? Torture tests?

(I'm always full of questions)

I'm happy for Remington, BTW.
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Old 04-26-2012, 20:47   #91
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Didn't Bushmaster have a government, M16, contract? Is Remington getting some input from their Bushy brethren under the Freedom Group, isn't this where all their AR's generated?

What other companies were trying for this contract, I wonder? Were any other Freedom Group companies trying (DPMS/Bushy)? I'm sure Colt tried, but did FN?

Besides bids and an American company, what does the government look for in a company to produce 'mil-spec'? Did Remington produce a sample already? Torture tests?

(I'm always full of questions)

I'm happy for Remington, BTW.
As far as I know, only Colt, FN and Sabre Defence had previously provided M4s or M16s to the DoD, and I believe that only Colt did M4s. Until Remington's contract, those were the only three companies with access to the TDP (Technical data package) for the platform - something that comes with the manufacturing of weapons for DoD, as the TDP is the actual set of specs for the weapon, as DoD wants it delivered.
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Old 04-28-2012, 05:40   #92
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"As of September 2010 the Army has announced it will buy 12,000 M4A1s from Colt Firearms by the end of 2010, and will order 25,000 more M4A1s by early 2011. The Army announced also to have open competition for the newly designed M4 bolt carrier and gas piston operation system, which will be fitted to the newly bought M4A1 carbines. The service branch plans to buy 12,000 of these conversion kits in early 2011. In late 2011 the Army plans to buy 65,000 more conversion kits. From there the Army will decide if it will upgrade all of its M4s.[12] On 21 April 2012, the US Army announced to begin purchasing over 120,000 M4A1 carbines to start reequipping front line units from the original M4 to the new M4A1 version. The first 24,000 will be made by Remington Arms Company. Additional purchases will be sought, but no number of weapons or any gun makers has yet be contacted. Remington is to produce the M4A1s from mid-2013 to mid-2014.[13] After completion of that contract, it will be between Colt and Remington to produce over 100,000 more M4A1s for the US Army"

taken from Wikipedia M4 page.

i wonder how many are sold to civi's every year? parts could be in short supply for some or until the O'master says NO MORE.

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The twaddle cool aid drinkers "Only Colt--everything else is crap" choir boys over at M4Carbine will be stepping all over themselves explaining this one away. Oh, wait--FN was good enough too - instead of Colt.
man is that the truth about the M4carbine boys, bunch of jerks at that site...
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Hell, I have yet to see any true MilSpec M4 or M16 shot anywhere close to 1 MOA while using standard issued ball ammo either, but I sure read a lot on the intrawebz about these guns shooting sub-1 MOA groups all the time.
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i wonder how many are sold to civi's every year? parts could be in short supply for some or until the O'master says NO MORE.

I doubt those orders would be enough to make a dent in the civilian parts supply, since most of it will be made in-house by the contracted manufacturer. Heck, it could help the civilian parts market due to overruns.

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man is that the truth about the M4carbine boys, bunch of jerks at that site...
M4C is not a place for people that are easily offended.
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I doubt those orders would be enough to make a dent in the civilian parts supply.

no,

never happen.




"Any of you that were about to buy milspec parts for your guns, nows a good time. Im sure Remington is about to go on an OEM parts buying binge. While they will likely forge their own upper receivers, lowers receivers, bolt, bolt carrier and barrels, they will have to subcontract for small parts such as ejectors, extractors, fire control groups, springs, and pins just as Colt does."
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no,

never happen.




"Any of you that were about to buy milspec parts for your guns, nows a good time. Im sure Remington is about to go on an OEM parts buying binge. While they will likely forge their own upper receivers, lowers receivers, bolt, bolt carrier and barrels, they will have to subcontract for small parts such as ejectors, extractors, fire control groups, springs, and pins just as Colt does."
You mean the same small parts almost any idiot with a computer controlled CnC machine can make?

Again, these purchases happen on a regular basis. I highly doubt that this will affect the civilian market in any significant way.
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Good for Remington! BTW.....DPMS has really good barrels and my scoped 20" HBAR flat-top shoots constant five shot .60 groups (69MK) and some smaller (52mk) at 100M. I'm not a fan of complete DPMS rifles but I built a real nice lower with one of their stripped lowers. All the holes are in the right places and the finish is better than my Colts.....go figure, Mike.
Notify the military..not to late to put hold on Rem M4 order...
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fyi fnfalman- winchester never made 1911's. They orginally accepted a contract to make them in WW one but the war ended before they started
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This is so sad. Colt is an American institution. One of - if not the - most historic and iconic arms makers still in business today. I like the company and their products. Sad to see this.

On the upside, maybe Colt will finally put more emphasis on their civilian line.

Colt Python reintroduced in 2013, anyone?

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