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Old 04-12-2012, 16:30   #1
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3 hour CCW pistol permit class, Ct.

What would you say to someone giving pistol permit classes in 3 hours including shooting?
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Old 04-12-2012, 16:45   #2
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I know of a bunch of guys that had a class that was five hours, no shooting. And they got their CWP...

Told them it was pretty shady and they should be careful if they ever use their weapon as it could backfire on them... They said I was just jealous that I wasted a whole day in a classroom and had to shoot.
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Old 04-12-2012, 17:02   #3
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Tell them the 2nd amendment doesn't say anything about having to take a class before you are allowed to keep and bear arms..........
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Old 04-12-2012, 17:52   #4
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Tell them the 2nd amendment doesn't say anything about having to take a class before you are allowed to keep and bear arms..........
Interesting point of view! Unfortunatley Dept of Public Safety does NOT see it that way!
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It differs from state to state. Some places you don't need to take a class at all.
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Old 04-12-2012, 18:07   #6
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If the CT class is as stupid as the OH class, they probably learned all they were going to.

Here we don't have a curriculum, just a 12 hour time demand. Some classes are good others suck.

Realistically, if the student already knows how to shoot(which anyone going for a CC license should), 3 hours is more than enough.
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Old 04-12-2012, 18:48   #7
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I don't see a problem with it, and actually didn't know they demanded so many hrs of class, just complete a course.
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Old 04-12-2012, 20:01   #8
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I've carried since I was 19 and working as a Bouncer(permit, we don't need no steenkin' permit), but eventually went legit because I did not want the stigma of being arrested for exercising a basic human right.

Fast forward to this year(I'm now 45) and while I THOUGHT I still had at least six months to go before my CCW renewal, I had actually been carrying illegally for almost a year!

After recovering from my heart attack, I immediately started looking for a local CCW class so I could get my NRA certificate and go re-apply. Here in Oregon we only have to attend a safety class, with no shooting needed, and no real chance of failing the class.

Imagine my surprise when I found out that now I didn't even have to show up in person for a two-hour class... I could do the whole thing over the Web!

In reality, the Web CCW 'safety lecture' took just 30 minutes total, and the kicker was that it only cost 15 bucks.

I printed out my certificate with the instructors electronic signature, took it to the county Sheriff's office, filled out the forms, did the fingerprints, paid my $65, and received my new permit in four business days.

I could not believe how easy(and cheap) it had become compared to when I first got my permit years before.

The times have certainly changed.

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Old 04-12-2012, 20:46   #9
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The classes in MN I don't care for, I think they need to be longer and alot more range time.
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Old 04-12-2012, 21:08   #10
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I took the NRA Basic Pistol Safety Course, several hours on a Sat. morning. Instructor encouraged us to get more training, familiarize ourselves with the laws, continue regular shooting and to think seriously about the ramifications of carrying a firearm and the ways our lives would be changed if we ever had to use our weapon and/or if we didn't have a weapon and needed one.

Iowa very recently changed from a "may issue" to "shall issue" state. The gun advocacy groups are working very hard to push for Castle Doctrine, Stand Your Ground and Constitutional Carry laws here in Iowa.
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Old 04-12-2012, 21:29   #11
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I'd say THANK YOU and ask if he has any cards.
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Old 04-12-2012, 21:56   #12
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What would you say to someone giving pistol permit classes in 3 hours including shooting?
I took one for my CCW that lasted probaby 5 hours. It wasn't a problem for me but the proficiency of a few fellow graduates scared the bejeesus out of me.
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Old 04-12-2012, 22:34   #13
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I guess if you toss in time to fill out forms. Then you might need 3 hrs.

My first permit took 15 minutes. And was free. Went on that way for yrs. I did take training on side but just went into Sheriff's office and fill out forms, chat (if Sheriff was there) and they gave new permit. Could even do it by mail after a couple yrs.

Now its classes, and costs.
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Texas has some of the strictest standards for CHL classwork training. It's an all-day affair and then shooting.

But whatever.


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Texas has some of the strictest standards for CHL classwork training. It's an all-day affair and then shooting.

But whatever.


Well Jav - I suppose that's understandable since Texas doesn't recognize the 2nd Amendment.

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Old 04-13-2012, 06:11   #16
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I took the NRA First Steps pisol class in order to get my Non-Resident FLA permit and I don't theink the class was much over 3 hours, icluding class time, range time and showing I could field strip and re-assemble the .45 I used.

Hopefully soon I'll actually be able to get a MD permit.
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:52   #17
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What would you say to someone giving pistol permit classes in 3 hours including shooting?
Does the class/course meet the the following Sec. 29-28. requirements? If so what's the big deal?
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... successfully complete a course approved by the Commissioner of Public Safety in the safety and use of pistols and revolvers including, but not limited to, a safety or training course in the use of pistols and revolvers available to the public offered by a law enforcement agency, a private or public educational institution or a firearms training school, utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association or the Department of Environmental Protection and a safety or training course in the use of pistols or revolvers conducted by an instructor certified by the state or the National Rifle Association,
Not to mention that there is no language in our state constitution that indicates a permit is required to "bear arms"...
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:10   #18
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What would you say to someone giving pistol permit classes in 3 hours including shooting?
I would say that's about 3 hours too long!

Around here, you can get a permit with a 20 min online "class". And if you already know anything about gun safety, you can fast-forward through the 20 min video and just take the test.
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:28   #19
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I teach in MN, our classes are aprox 6 hrs, some more, never less due to the volume of information we provide. Safety "stuff" in a big part, even teaching veteran carry folks on the proper way to load-unload a firearm, ect....The travel info is really driven home due to us being such a mobile society, a very broad spectrum of info. Our class should really be 8+ hrs to do a great job, however people have shorter attention spans than that.
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:46   #20
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I took mine about 25 years ago now ( - doesn't seem possible!!), and don't recall it being much more than that, if even that long...

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I would be highly suspect of the quality of information if you completed a Connecticut permit course and are referring to it as a 'CCW'.
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I would be highly suspect of the quality of information if you completed a Connecticut permit course and are referring to it as a 'CCW'.
It is rather humorous to hear some of the incorrect things people claim their instructors told them during their CT pistol permit class. Word is getting out to the instructors though that OC in CT is not against the law. So to is the fact that due to the "suitability" statute, CT is technically a "may issue" state not what most assume as a "shall issue" state. Generally anyone who isn't prohibited will get the permit either from the local issuing authority or when the BFPE overrule the local issuing authority.

One of the biggest problems, beyond the state doubling the pistol permit fees a year or so ago, with how pistol permits are issued in this state is the fact that the local issuing authorities like to tack on extra "requirements" above and beyond the state mandated application. Things like 3 letters of recommendation (from people in your town and non family members), police interviewing your neighbors about your desire to obtain a pistol permit, mandating a face to face interview, letting the police investigate your entire life history including medical, banking, and educational records. Then comes the time it takes to actually approve the application. Some towns come in under the 8 week state statute mandated time frame, others unfortunately do not. It took almost 6 months for my town to issue my permit back in 2008. Some towns are well known for intentionally drag their feet on issuing the permits. Fortunately the BFPE now has a method of appealing when locals drag their feet or mandate extra requirements.
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It is rather humorous to hear some of the incorrect things people claim their instructors told them during their CT pistol permit class. Word is getting out to the instructors though that OC in CT is not against the law. So to is the fact that due to the "suitability" statute, CT is technically a "may issue" state not what most assume as a "shall issue" state. Generally anyone who isn't prohibited will get the permit either from the local issuing authority or when the BFPE overrule the local issuing authority.

One of the biggest problems, beyond the state doubling the pistol permit fees a year or so ago, with how pistol permits are issued in this state is the fact that the local issuing authorities like to tack on extra "requirements" above and beyond the state mandated application. Things like 3 letters of recommendation (from people in your town and non family members), police interviewing your neighbors about your desire to obtain a pistol permit, mandating a face to face interview, letting the police investigate your entire life history including medical, banking, and educational records. Then comes the time it takes to actually approve the application. Some towns come in under the 8 week state statute mandated time frame, others unfortunately do not. It took almost 6 months for my town to issue my permit back in 2008. Some towns are well known for intentionally drag their feet on issuing the permits. Fortunately the BFPE now has a method of appealing when locals drag their feet or mandate extra requirements.
Unfortunately, I'm aware. I played hardball, and called out my local PD. they ended up issuing my permit at 5 weeks, but then took another week to mail it to me.

The most irritating part of all of it, is through every step you are met with at least one person who questions your motive, and treats you like a criminal.
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Mine was 'on the chief's desk, waiting to be signed' for a few weeks as I recall. I was trying to walk the line between letting them know I wanted it and wasn't going to forget & let it fall into the cracks, and being a PITA and causing it to move to the bottom of the pile out of spite. Eventually it came through, and the state one was back in less than two weeks. (This was from back in the day when you had to get a local permit *then* apply for the state one.) I expected the state one to then take another 16 forevers once the town one went through, but was pleasantly surprised that it took next to no time at all.

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Mine was 'on the chief's desk, waiting to be signed' for a few weeks as I recall. I was trying to walk the line between letting them know I wanted it and wasn't going to forget & let it fall into the cracks, and being a PITA and causing it to move to the bottom of the pile out of spite. Eventually it came through, and the state one was back in less than two weeks. (This was from back in the day when you had to get a local permit *then* apply for the state one.) I expected the state one to then take another 16 forevers once the town one went through, but was pleasantly surprised that it took next to no time at all.

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Still have to get the local, temporary permit then get the state permit. However the state is as easy as showing up at DPS with temporary permit, passport, DL, and $70. Then walking out 15 minutes later with full permit. Doesn't stop the person who is doing your paperwork from treating you like the scum of the earth, though. And he didn't like my reasoning for the permit: 'all lawful purposes'. I was too vague.
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