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Old 07-27-2012, 07:45   #351
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I'm surprised that others have been able to long load 40s in KKM barrels as mentioned. If I ever need another 40 barrel I may have to go with KKM because of this.
The previous posters that mentioned loading load .40 S&W in KKM barrels stated they sent dummy loads in to KKM to have the barrels reamed to accommodate their loads.
No different in my experience with my G34 LWD that JR reamed for me. The throat was too short to accommodate my 135g RN Bear creek loads at MY preferred OAL of 1.150 I could clearly see it was a throat issue as the rifling was making indentations on the bullet when it was seated by the closing of the slide.
If I loaded the same bullet down to 1.125 NO ISSUES
My experience was nothing but stellar with JR and LWD. I emailed him my thoughts on the issue. He requested that I send the barrel in with 5-6 of my dummy rounds. I got it back in 6 days. Took me a couple of weeks to finally get around to testing it but found it to work as needed. See post #300 and 313.
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Old 07-27-2012, 08:00   #352
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The previous posters that mentioned loading load .40 S&W in KKM barrels stated they sent dummy loads in to KKM to have the barrels reamed to accommodate their loads.

Some did yes, but there was one that stated a standard KKM 40 barrel without any special instructions to KKM was able to shoot 1.260".

As others have mentioned, I have no dog in this fight, just find it interesting for some odd reason. I've been happy with LW and KKM products in the past.
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:59   #353
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That's true. At the case mouth for a 9mm chamber the dimension is 0.381" +0.004" The cartridge diameter at the case mouth is 0.380" -0.007". Worst case of maximum cartridge diameter and minimum chamber diameter leaves just 0.001" clearance. And that 0.001" disappears quickly when the bullet itself is oversize and the cartridge is actually larger than 0.380"

Best case, of course, the cartridge clears the chamber by 0.012" in which case the round can flop around pretty good.

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Are you going with some sort of book data for a 9mm round with a lead bullet of actual data from a loaded round?

I load .357" in 9mm and they all fit my KKM barrel easily. Not wiggly loose like a Glock or other OEM barrel (which one has to assume has a in spec barrel). But they fit the KKM and OEM barrels just fine.
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Old 07-27-2012, 13:01   #354
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The previous posters that mentioned loading load .40 S&W in KKM barrels stated they sent dummy loads in to KKM to have the barrels reamed to accommodate their loads.
A lot of .40 shooters are loading their ammo to near 10mm length so the throat has to be opened up on pretty much any barrel. Depending on bullet/oal combo of course.
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What a business model !!!!

This could be a case study for some graduate business school.
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Old 08-07-2012, 06:19   #356
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Are you going with some sort of book data for a 9mm round with a lead bullet of actual data from a loaded round?
Those numbers I stated are from the SAAMI spec plus the usual lead bullet OD. The clearance is based on a minimum spec chamber and a maximum spec cartridge plus 0.001" for the extra diameter of lead bullets over jacketed.

I have no idea whether chambers are actually cut to minimum and I don't really have a way to measure them to 4 decimal places.

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I load .357" in 9mm and they all fit my KKM barrel easily. Not wiggly loose like a Glock or other OEM barrel (which one has to assume has a in spec barrel). But they fit the KKM and OEM barrels just fine.
I like the empirical approach! The rounds either fit the chamber or they don't. Sorting out the problem if they don't fit is really the issue here.

I just got my G21 KKM barrel yesterday. The 'kerplunk' test went fine for factory and jacketed reloads. The LRN seems to just barely hit the step in the chamber while one of my LSWC took a little effort to chamber. I'm sure the slide will seat the round.

The chamber cut seems a little odd and I'll be comparing it to the factory and Colt barrels later today.

But the proof is in the shooting and I haven't had a chance to do that just yet.

As you said, the round wiggles a little bit (with that one exception) but it doesn't seem to be as much as with the Glock barrel.

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Old 08-07-2012, 09:08   #357
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I own barrels from LWD, KKM, and Storm Lake along with, of course, my Glock factory barrels. No BarSto yet but I'm going to be changing that in the very near future, depending on research which I have yet to complete ( Salient Arms use of BarSto turns me off, talk about overpriced!!!). I'm the type who tinkers with his guns and I enjoy testing different barrels, loads, etc.. I find LWD barrels work just fine, and in my old G34 open gun
I actually preferred the LWD over KKM. I won't get into specs or "big words", all I can say is all the LWD barrels I have owned have functioned flawlessly with whatever I fed them, 9mm and 40. I trust LWD and I've had nothing but good experiences with their customer service. I like the company so much I decided to buy a 9mm AR upper and lower and have Bonbby Carver customize it for me for pistol caliber carbine matches.
Far be it from me to judge anyone's skill level or knowledge, I've not been at this that long, but couldn't the problem be more of a reloading issue as opposed to a barrel issue? I don't think it's fair to judge LWD by the issues of a couple folks. There are too many factors at play here and too many unknowns to give a fair and accurate review. And let's remember, the majority of shooters are shooting factory jacketed ammo, that's the folks all Glock parts manufacturers are aiming to please. My guess is that's why Lone Wolf has the upgrade available for lead shooters but doesn't build their barrels for this right off the bat. One thing I know for sure us a fact.........ya can't please everybody all the time. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 08-07-2012, 09:31   #358
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Far be it from me to judge anyone's skill level or knowledge, I've not been at this that long, but couldn't the problem be more of a reloading issue as opposed to a barrel issue?
Absolutely! But the problem is there are no concrete facts. That there are some problems seem indisputable. The reason for the problems remains unclear to me.

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I don't think it's fair to judge LWD by the issues of a couple folks. There are too many factors at play here and too many unknowns to give a fair and accurate review. And let's remember, the majority of shooters are shooting factory jacketed ammo, that's the folks all Glock parts manufacturers are aiming to please.
Here's the thing: The Glock is not now nor will it ever be a target grade pistol. Therefore, there is no reason to replace a Glock barrel unless the shooter wants to use lead bullets or add a feature like extended length or threading. The primary reason for aftermarket barrels is to get around the odd rifling of the Glock barrel and Glock's statement that lead bullets should not be used in their barrel.

If aftermarket barrels don't handle all reasonable lead reloads, they are pretty useless. But what is 'reasonable'?

We already know that a lead bullet is 0.001" larger in diameter than a jacketed bullet and we know that a maximum jacketed bullet diameter and minimum chamber diameter only have 0.001" clearance. In fact, a minimum chamber will probably not handle lead bullets. The least bit of fouling and the rounds won't chamber. There's just no clearance.

Any attempt to reduce chamber size in an effort to create a 'match' barrel probably works against the reason for replacing the barrel in the first place. Shooting lead bullets...

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Old 08-11-2012, 08:52   #359
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Been shooting lead reload 9mm in stock GLOCK barrels for three years. No problems with the right bullet / load combination. I have never seen a reason for an after market barrel.
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Old 08-11-2012, 11:46   #360
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Been shooting lead reload 9mm in stock GLOCK barrels for three years. No problems with the right bullet / load combination. I have never seen a reason for an after market barrel.
what is your bullet / load combo? Any issues with bulged brass or OAL? Thanks
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The majority of our customers purchase our barrels to shoot commercial reloads or their own reloads using jacketed, hard coat or plated bullets. We do not hear anything but GOOD NEWS from these guys.
Your average Glock shoots 4 to 6 inches at 25 yds. If you shoot 6" at 25 yds I guarantee you will reduce your group size by simply swapping to one of our barrels.

FYI: During the mid 90's I was a sponsored shooter. I received free guns from Glock, free equipment from Safariland, free lead from A-Zone, free powder from Vihtavuori powder and Pro Load would load it all for FREE. Needless to say I had lots of trigger time and plenty of experts to draw conclusions from. After a single year (about 50K rds) it was the clear consensus of all mfgs, lead bullets should be avoided in Glock factory barrels. Yah, we set out to prove Glock Inc wrong regarding the use of lead bullets in their factory barrels. All we did was prove them right.

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Some did yes, but there was one that stated a standard KKM 40 barrel without any special instructions to KKM was able to shoot 1.260".
That's pretty damn long to fit in a Glock .40 mag.
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That's pretty damn long to fit in a Glock .40 mag.
I shoot 10mm all the time in my G27.



























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Old 08-14-2012, 16:39   #365
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While waiting for my G27 and G30 LWD barrels to be correctly reamed to the "Colt" specs that have been in their shop since May 9, 2012, I've been keeping my eye on my inbox for any emails.

Surprise...... today I got an email from them notifying me that my order had shipped. The order that was shipped to me was for a ............get this:

1. LWD Team Lone Wolf hat, black

2. Team Lone Wolf Tshirt gray - XXX large


I did not order either one of these items..........................................and now I'm worried that some big guy may be having my barrels shipped to him.

The circus continues.......but I'm sure the Colt reamer has been ordered.........Yeah......
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Nice at least you will look silly at the range while your NOT shooting your gun.
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While waiting for my G27 and G30 LWD barrels to be correctly reamed to the "Colt" specs that have been in their shop since May 9, 2012, I've been keeping my eye on my inbox for any emails.

Surprise...... today I got an email from them notifying me that my order had shipped. The order that was shipped to me was for a ............get this:

1. LWD Team Lone Wolf hat, black

2. Team Lone Wolf Tshirt gray - XXX large


I did not order either one of these items..........................................and now I'm worried that some big guy may be having my barrels shipped to him.

The circus continues.......but I'm sure the Colt reamer has been ordered.........Yeah......
It could be he's sending you some swag under separate cover. Maybe he put a gratis order in for you and it triggers a generic email telling you your order has shipped.

Hopefully your barrels will be shipped shortly. Hopefully they will work.
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It could be he's sending you some swag under separate cover. Maybe he put a gratis order in for you and it triggers a generic email telling you your order has shipped.

Hopefully your barrels will be shipped shortly. Hopefully they will work.
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Yep I shot lead bullets in my stock g23 for a number of year until one day it let go. Kaboom, it was a turning point for me. I kept and keep the barrel and chamber clean, not good enough.

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Yep I shot lead bullets in my stock g23 for a number of year until one day it let go. Kaboom, it was a turning point for me. I kept and keep the barrel and chamber clean, not good enough.
If your barrel was clean and free of any lead build ,how can you blame lead bullets for the kaboom ??

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If your barrel was clean and free of any lead build ,how can you blame lead bullets for the kaboom ??
Damn lead boolit compressed a double charge of powder.
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Some did yes, but there was one that stated a standard KKM 40 barrel without any special instructions to KKM was able to shoot 1.260".
Not in a Glock .40!
Around about 1.155" is all that will reliably feed from the magazine of a .40 Glock(depending on bullet shape) The barrel is NOT the limiting factor in COL in many barrels with many loads, its the magazine length.
The 1.260" quote sounds suspiciously like the length many STI shooters use in their .40 guns. Only .400 caliber Glocks that have a magazine long enough to handle that 1.260" are the 10mm's (G29 and G20).
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Yep sounds like a freebee.
You guys were right on. It was a box with some swag and also ONE of my barrels, the G27 that had been corrected.

The enclosed note said that they had just received the .40 cal reamer and had fixed my G27 barrel but the .45 reamer was still in the mail!!!!! When they receive that reamer then they will send the G30 barrel back.

The letter was from Dan in the armor shop and had an apology for the delay. It only took 97 days of shop time and 4 more days time in the mails. Not really what you would call fast service. Good thing I had no pressing need for it. Sounds like the personal at LWD is more oriented toward customer service than the owners.

Once I get both barrels back I'll test them out with my reloads and compare them to the KKM barrels and the other .40's I have, a Sig 226 and a Sig 2340.
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Finally

A couple of days ago I finally got back my LWD barrel for my G30 standard length. So off to try those two barrels out for the G30 and the G27. It only took about 104 days for both barrels to be corrected. Great customer service.

I had bought barrels from KKM to replace the LWD barrels when they would not feed my reloads so I took them along and also a Paraordinance P-14-45, a Sig 226 .40, and a Sig 2340 .40 to try out three different bullet shapes in both the 45 and 40 calibers.

LWD G27 barrel - - functioned fine in all three different rounds of 40 ammo as did the two Sigs. No FTF or FTE and everything was working Ok. The accuracy of the LWD G27 barrel was a whisper behind the KKM barrel and about even with the two Sigs.

LWD G30 barrel - - had about a 30% FTF and FTE with the three different bullet designs for the 45ACP. All the 45Auto bullet designs functioned flawlessly in the P14-45!!! Still puzzled about that one but one of the bullet designs was that H&G 205g round that is notorious for causing feeding problems. The P-14-45 out shot the LWD and the KKM guns but that P-14-45 has been modified extensively and is superaccurate. The KKM 45 barrel feed and extracted all the different bullet designs and the accuracy of the KKM was just about the same as the LWD.

I am happy about having a G27 barrel that will function with any lead reload I throw at it and those lead reloads also work in 2 other .40 caliber shooters I have. Well pleased with the work done on it.

The G30 barrel is still a miss and will be the paperweight for sure. I'm not aware of any additional steps that I can take to make it work when the same rounds function in my other 45ACP shooters as well as two of my buddies 45ACP's.

The guys in the shop seemed to be apologetic for the delay and did perform on the 40 barrel, they also sent along a shirt and hat as a compensation.

The management of the company seems to take other positions. While I appreciated the offer and the effort, the results of lengthy delay were only about 50% so I won't be a LWD customer in the future. Thanks but not thanks.
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