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Old 05-05-2012, 16:30   #251
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No, I plan to waive the $30 fee in this instance.
If anybody reading this thread has a LWD barrel that is not performing as well as they think it should, I will ask them to return the barrel so we can recut the chamber to the COLT (you see, I have a name for it) spec chamber. Once the barrel is received I simply request they post their findings here on this thread. You guys may be disgruntled but I firmly believe you are honest so you are going to say the barrel works as advertized. (I win again)
Once this chamber is accepted, I will most likely change all the Gen4 chambers to fit the same. Yes that is correct, I will change 10's of thousands of barrel chambers to stop these 5 guys from their rant. NOW I TOTALLY FEEL LIKE A DEMOCRAT! Change the needs of the many to fit the 5!
Oh yah, because I detest this chamber I will drop the price too. I will sell more barrels in May than I normally do in 6 months.

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Comes now LWD with another plea that the customers of LWD are idiots for expecting a product sold by them to perform as they indicated in their promotional statements on their website. They acknowledge that the lead bullets are out of SAAMI spec and still go on to assert that those same lead bullets will function in their barrels.

I guess that the inference is that the only lead bullets that will function in the LWD is the commercially produced ammo as in the Cowboy stuff. I just haven't seen many Glocks at those Cowboy shoots here in Idaho, perhaps elsewhere they are allowed.

Their website sounds similar to a capitalization of the intent of the buyer as an inducement to purchase a product that is known not to function in the way that the vast majority of buyers will use their product. Pitiful and Pathetic.
Neither have I ,seeing as how SASS requires rimmed rounds,such as 32 WCF,32 Mag,38 Spl./357 Mag,38WCF,a ballistic twin of the 40 S&W,44 Spl./44 Mag.,44 WCF and of course 45 colt. The only thing is I have yet to see a Glock chambered in any of those calibers,let alone a Glock used in a SASS shoot excluding a Cops versus Cowboy shoot.
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No, I plan to waive the $30 fee in this instance.
If anybody reading this thread has a LWD barrel that is not performing as well as they think it should, I will ask them to return the barrel so we can recut the chamber to the COLT (you see, I have a name for it) spec chamber. Once the barrel is received I simply request they post their findings here on this thread. You guys may be disgruntled but I firmly believe you are honest so you are going to say the barrel works as advertized. (I win again)
Once this chamber is accepted, I will most likely change all the Gen4 chambers to fit the same. Yes that is correct, I will change 10's of thousands of barrel chambers to stop these 5 guys from their rant. NOW I TOTALLY FEEL LIKE A DEMOCRAT! Change the needs of the many to fit the 5!
Oh yah, because I detest this chamber I will drop the price too. I will sell more barrels in May than I normally do in 6 months.

PS: If you want your chamber hogged out to this Colt spec simply mail it to us at the regular LWD address and print on the outside of the package "GT Hole Requested".
PSS: *You must also write a personal note saying you think I am a great guy and awesome listener. (come on, now thats funny!)

Actually, it's clear as mud. I read it twice just to be fair to you and you completely undo the first part of your post with the last part of it. It's exactly like the promise a slimy democrat would make. Just like bho when he said he was for spreading the wealth around, and then he wasn't for wealth redistribution, all in the same sentence.

Either way, it's not my problem. I saw your product for what it is years ago. The problems people have with it came as no surprise to me. Neither does your JA Ceiner attitude. You sked me to list my accomplishments, well here is one: I have obtained the wisdom and experience to see BS Artists for what they are and not to do business with them. I never sent you a nickel, never would, and wouldn't use anything you made if it was given to me. If this is the way you conduct business, I can just imagine the crap steel and other QC issues that could arise from your products being made in some mystery third world plant. I'm just glad you don't make aircraft parts.
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Old 05-05-2012, 16:52   #254
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Shot: Glock factory barrels SUCK for reloaders. The chamber runs up to 6 thousandths larger than SAMMI. If you even had a CLUE you would not have posted such a silly statement.
What caliber and year Glock barrel was that loose?(out of SAAMI spec)

I got out the small hole gages and mic and measured the chambers of both my .40 and .357sig Glock barrels.(later narrow feed ramp designs) Measured at approx the same points as the specs on the SAAMI prints I posted a link for.

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Big End - .4305" (SAAMI Min .4275")
Small End - .4265" (SAAMI Min .4243")
Tolerence of Min Dimension - +.004" -.000"

.357sig
Big End - .430" (SAAMI Min .4275")
Small End - .4275" (SAAMI Min .4254")
Tolerence of Min Dimension - +.004" -.000"

Whenever I get the chance to use a CMM again I will have to try and get some even more accurate measurements. (like within .00005")

By looking at the numbers you can tell both chambers are well within SAAMI's specified tolerance. Both at around +.002" over minimum.

I find it hard to believe Glock would purposely make a barrel with a chamber that is not within SAAMIs specified dimensions. That just opens them up to unnecessary liability.

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Old 05-05-2012, 16:55   #256
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what caliber and year glock barrel was that loose?(out of saami spec)

i got out the small hole gages and mic and measured the chambers of both my .40 and .357sig glock barrels.(later narrow feed ramp designs) measured at approx the same points as the specs on the saami prints i posted a link for.

.40 glock
big end - .4305" (saami min .4275")
small end - .4265" (saami min .4243")
tolerence of min dimension - +.004" -.000"

.357sig
big end - .430" (saami min .4275")
small end - .4275" (saami min .4254")
tolerence of min dimension - +.004" -.000"

whenever i get the chance to use a cmm again i will have to try and get some even more accurate measurements. (like within .00005")

by looking at the numbers you can tell both chambers are well within saami's specified tolerance. Both at around +.002" over minimum.

I find it hard to believe glock would purposely make a barrel with a chamber that is not within saamis specified dimensions. That just opens them up to unnecessary liability.

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dkf:Check out the Gen1 chambers and feel free to repost your findings. Glock Inc has been on a wonderful ride over the years. They have been subitly improving their chambers all the way up to the current production Gen4, which by the way are the most awesome!
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Wisky: You clearly are not a LWD customer and as you have stated, never will be. You have no dog in the fight. What exactly is your purpose here other than to kick sand in my face?
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dkf:Check out the Gen1 chambers and feel free to repost your findings. Glock Inc has been on a wonderful ride over the years. They have been subitly improving their chambers all the way up to the current production Gen4, which by the way are the most awesome!
If I ever get ahold of a Gen1 with a very low round count I will measure them up. Sorry to say I don't have Gen1s which were for the most part 9mms.

I'm not really a fan of the Gen4s myself. Mostly due to the realatively rough current track record.(ejection issues) I'm sure you like them though as your selling a lot of extractors to try a remedy ejection issues.

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I expected them to measure larger actually but they are tighter than I thought. I'd say they are right where they need to be.

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Wisky: You clearly are not a LWD customer and as you have stated, never will be. You have no dog in the fight. What exactly is your purpose here other than to kick sand in my face?
I kicked no sand in your face in the beginning of this thread. Now that you've joined it and made an ass out of yourself, I'm commenting on that. So you are a democrat. You pick a fight by insulting people, people respond back, and then you claim to be picked on. Classic passive/aggressive stuff there. I'm surprised you aren't out "occupying" some park or shutting down a rail load of coal to a power plant.
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Wisky: Not a Demo at all.... simply stated I feel like one. Now I can relate to their feelings completely. You basically stated our customers were brainless and expected plugs to reduce there over all times (points)? Whatever. I figured you must have been somebody or done something remarkable? list it?
dkf: I have been in the business from the very start of Glock. Shot with the original crew. Watched their improvements over the years which completely proves my statement: Perfection is in the making!

I am wondering how many CEO's sign up for this type banter? Seems LWD gets a lot of flack for not listening however is one of the original supporters of GT and innovaters of Glock products. Here I am .... making changes as (basically) requested. I hope you guys dont take this stuff personal. (the banter) Truth be known: I am sitting in my room, second story Shilo Inn Seaside OR looking at a almost empty glass of Vodka Tonic, watching the waves roll in, asking myself....... why do I bother with this conversation?
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Wisky: Not a Demo at all.... simply stated I feel like one. Now I can relate to their feelings completely. You basically stated our customers were brainless and expected plugs to reduce there over all times (points)? Whatever. I figured you must have been somebody or done something remarkable? list it?
dkf: I have been in the business from the very start of Glock. Shot with the original crew. Watched their improvements over the years which completely proves my statement: Perfection is in the making!

I am wondering how many CEO's sign up for this type banter? Seems LWD gets a lot of flack for not listening however is one of the original supporters of GT and innovaters of Glock products. Here I am .... making changes as (basically) requested. I hope you guys dont take this stuff personal. (the banter) Truth be known: I am sitting in my room, second story Shilo Inn Seaside OR looking at a almost empty glass of Vodka Tonic, watching the waves roll in, asking myself....... why do I bother with this conversation?

Hey, you can try to change the subject of this thread to being about me all you want. The fact is, your products, and attitude have been displayed for all to see and it is immortalized on the interwebs
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I have been reading everything i can find and VERY much look forward to tring BOTH the LW and KKM side by side!!

I am siked to have scored such a good price on the ported LW barrel. I just hope its not too noisy...

I am not a huge lead slinger. I do have a couple I will never be with out but none yet for the 10MM... time will tell.

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Finally..... YES< I AM IMMORAL< ! Uh, er, immortal... or something like that.

What I said is true, send your barrels back. PLEASE. I will keep count and relay the truthful findings..... (3 to 5 expected to return). FREE, FREE, FREE. CW: if you have any issue using reloads please by all means contact me so we can get your unbiased opinion regarding the Colt chamber.

Wisky: I treat my customers with the up most respect... as you clearly stated... you never will be a customer..... so I guess that makes you an exception?
Really, dont take any of this personal. I push back regardless of who steps on my foot.
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I don't come on Glock Talk very often. I have nearly always found that if you treat the other parties nice in a discussion then you normally get good treatment back.

LWD has treated me fine. My old Glock 23 Gen1 runs better than ever.

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I have mine lone wolf barrels working with my lead reloads, but I have two lone wolf barrels so I will send you one and then report the differences and my impressions.

I will agree you get props for sticking around and replying even though you have taken some abuse in this thred.
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You know, I bought my LWD 9mm barrel so I could shoot lead in my G26. I knew ahead of time that the loads I cranked out on my 550b for a G19 (in the days before anyone knew lead was bad for polygonal/Glock barrels) might not chamber in the tighter chamber/shorter throat of the LWD barrel. These loads certainly wouldn't chamber well is a custom Hi-Power with a new BarSto barrel!

I took a chance, and yep, they don't chamber. So, when I eventually get around to it, I will be sending in a dummy round with my LWD G26 barrel to have the throat reamed to work with these mass produced practice rounds... I don't feel like pulling some 800 rounds and starting over, lol.

BUT, I will be sending JR the $10 or whatever it costs to have this done. I knew this might be the case, and it is with my barrel. I don't expect a free service for something I expected to need to pay.

I think everyone knows the aftermarket barrels are tighter than stock Glock barrels. Its why we get these barrels for 10mm and 45 Super. Better case head support, sometimes better accuracy, etc. I have had zero problems with my LWD 6", 4 port G21 barrel for 45 Super.
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Not true. LW is much shorter and tighter for no real benefit and a huge PITA factor.
I am going to guess you work for LW or have nice script provided by JR. I have owned a LW and KKM as have many in this thread. Way more then 5 dissatisfied people.


And I am going to guess you are a troll and just like stirring the pot.
Never met JR, bought my first LW barrel used from someone else. Have bought stuff from LW and have received exactly what I paid for.

JR, you have my sympathies. I am leaving this thread behind. If any of you would like my thoughts on LW barrels and handloading 9mm, .40 S&W, .357 Sig and .45ACP/.45 Super thru them drop me a PM and I will give you my (fairly) objective thoughts.
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Actually, it's clear as mud. I read it twice just to be fair to you and you completely undo the first part of your post with the last part of it. It's exactly like the promise a slimy democrat would make. Just like bho when he said he was for spreading the wealth around, and then he wasn't for wealth redistribution, all in the same sentence.
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Hey Red, please try to be coherent will you? I never said don't load light loads. I said doing it with jacketed bullets is a potentially dangerous practice. I provide proof to that effect and you change the subject. You argue like a Democrat. When you are challenged you change the subject and put words in my mouth.

You haven't had a squib with your load because your load isn't light enough. Load down a bit and see what happens. When you do get a squib with a jacketed bullet, use the same load substituting a lead bullet. The lead bullet won't stick.
Anyone who disagrees with him is a Democrat. After all name calling is better than logic.
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This one is from 1 31 2010

Anyone who disagrees with him is a Democrat. After all name calling is better than logic.
And this is for you SGRed:

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No, I plan to waive the $30 fee in this instance.
If anybody reading this thread has a LWD barrel that is not performing as well as they think it should, I will ask them to return the barrel so we can recut the chamber to the COLT (you see, I have a name for it) spec chamber. Once the barrel is received I simply request they post their findings here on this thread. You guys may be disgruntled but I firmly believe you are honest so you are going to say the barrel works as advertized. (I win again)
Once this chamber is accepted, I will most likely change all the Gen4 chambers to fit the same. Yes that is correct, I will change 10's of thousands of barrel chambers to stop these 5 guys from their rant. NOW I TOTALLY FEEL LIKE A DEMOCRAT! Change the needs of the many to fit the 5!
Oh yah, because I detest this chamber I will drop the price too. I will sell more barrels in May than I normally do in 6 months.

PS: If you want your chamber hogged out to this Colt spec simply mail it to us at the regular LWD address and print on the outside of the package "GT Hole Requested".
PSS: *You must also write a personal note saying you think I am a great guy and awesome listener. (come on, now thats funny!)
Keepin' it real huh? Real dumb! You spent the last two years trying to get me and you missed the fact that JR was the one who brought up the idea of him being a democrat.
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Rechamber Update: I have been contacted by one person regarding a rechamber. If there are any readers out their possessing a LWD barrel that does not chamber their load please contact me direct at jr@lonewolfdist.com

Wisky: Your interpretation of my "Democrat" statement is so far off in left field it is down right comical. Read the paragraph in its entirety and you will get the meaning of the statement. I am making a back handed comment, nothing more, nothing less.
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I would be sending you mine as well, but I sold it about a week before your offer....bad timing i guess.
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Rechamber Update: I have been contacted by one person regarding a rechamber. If there are any readers out their possessing a LWD barrel that does not chamber their load please contact me direct at jr@lonewolfdist.com
That's all well & good JR...but why limit it only to readers on a forum???

I can buy a used Leupold scope or RCBS dies or any number of other firearm accessories & be confident that they'll work or the factory will either replace or repair the item...

From everything I've read, KKM is such a company...

Your product, your decision, but because of the reports I've read on this & other forums on the quality of your custom service department & even some of your own comments on this thread, there is absolutely no way I'll ever do business with your company...I'd hazard a guess that there are a whole bunch others who read these threads without ever posting...something to think about before you let your fingers do the talking.
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