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Old 05-02-2012, 22:59   #226
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Glad I saw this thread, I was considering a LWD barrel.... I'll hold off and cycle the 1911 for a while on lead bullets. This is interesting...
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Old 05-03-2012, 19:24   #227
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So i was getting extremely frustrated and decided to just screw around with 5 rounds and I ran them through an extra sizing die I have without the decapper in it and I had to laugh when they actually sized down to a size that the LWD barrel would load. They are unusable though as when you load them any longer than 1.125+/- they the bullet can almost be pulled out by hand.
Just thought it was funny as I am extremely upset with the dumb barrel. .401 lead rounds just seem to big. The FMJ's I have load fine and pass the plunk test with ease but move to lead and its a no go.
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Old 05-03-2012, 21:33   #228
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Just finished a run out to the desert to test out a few 45ACP rounds with a different powder through my G30 with the KKM barrel.

Everything went bang and feed and ejected smoothly. It's nice not to have to bang on the back of your slide to fire the next round.

Keep a plastic bottle hopping a lot at 20-25 rounds and had a blast hitting stuff out there. This KKM barrel appears to be more accurate than the Glock and LWD barrel.
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This KKM barrel appears to be more accurate than the Glock and LWD barrel.
It's surprising how much better you can concentrate on the front sight when you don't have the thought of an impending jam in the back of your mind.
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Old 05-04-2012, 20:47   #230
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I have a LW Barrel on a G23. It was noticeably tighter than stock and the stock barrel in my Kahr. . Talked to Dan Shepard (dshepard@lonewolfdist.com) there. I didn't need to look up my receipt.

My G23 shoots great now.
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I am still trying to figure out where you guys figure LWD done you wrong? Seriously. Somehow you misunderstood the MATCH GRADE chamber you were purchasing would still chamber the lead reloads which you CLEARLY state do not conform to any SAMMI spec anyway. I think the contention here is the fact that we have you return the barrel and charge $30 to rechamber ...... to fit that non-spec load..... you knew would not fit the match grade chamber anyway.... right? I just wanted to try and get that point clear, right? Oh yah, I knew the reload would not fit unless.... oh yah..... it was the same as a factory round, lead load, like winchester cowboy loads? Which BTW, fit perfectly.

Whatever it is, I MUST accept full responsibility for all the disgruntled (ness). Anyhow, I had a great conversation with Dave Kiff at Pacific Tool and Gauge today. Maybe some of you know him? Dave knows well what we do and why we do it, he built our reamers in the first place. BTW: The man has a stelar reputation in this industry. So, I have solid measurements HOWEVER it would do no good to post them. Given plenty of opportunity to post, non have complied, so I can only assume you would not understand dimensions anyway. Suffice it to say the $30 chamber modification we currently offer is one and the same used by Colt, Remington & Ruger. I guess we must have our ducks in a row because nobody has complained about a LWD modified chamber failing...... right?

I guess the complaint MUST be about returning the barrel and paying $30 to modify it from a match grade to a standard Colt, Remington,Ruger grade.... oh yah, the same chamber you pay KKM and Storm Lake more (excessive) money for in the first place, right? I keep thinking this whole thread is about $30? There is 4 or 5 of you guys willing to perpetuate a hate thread over $30? Unfortunately I think this has grown far past a simple free service at this point. Offering free anything to this crowd would do nothing to resolve any ill feelings towards LWD.

I think the only thing I can do, is change the barrel description on our web site to offer the purchaser a match grade chamber (as stated) or a reloaders chamber similar to the one offered by all the others?
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Old 05-04-2012, 23:55   #232
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Well now I done it.....

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.a...OD=944&CAT=236

Today surfin eBay I ran across a LWD 10MM ported barrel for a very lo cost.* So I threw 100$ at it for S&G....* Well don't ya know the phone just "rang" with the eBay "harp" as my wife calls it and I won the thing for 103 TMD! Brand new from LWD.....

So I still have the order with KKM for the 6" too.* I gonna keep that too and shoot both and have a lil test. I see the LWD is just about 5.5" and the KKM will be 6" but I'm wondering about the increased noise to the shooter. Hopefully will not be much and possible some of the flip will be redused as I will be shooting heavy hunting loads from it.


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Old 05-05-2012, 02:16   #233
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Regardless of which barrel one chooses, when reloading one should use a properly adjusted Lee Factory Crimp die in the final stage. Furthermore, on should check every round, both reloaded and factory new, with a gauge or the barrel itself. I shoot about 10,000 rounds per year and check every round. I've never had a problem with the LWD barrel in my "Unlimited" 9mm Glock.

There are a lot of folks here that generate their own problems and blame their mistakes on others.
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JR is the only one that doesn't seem to understand that when you advertise a barrel as being good with lead it should actually work with lead. KKM, Wilson and Storm Lake figured that out from the start.
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I understand I bought a match grade barrel but it also says safe to shoot lead with. If I load a FMJ round it works fine. if I load a lead round its to tight. The dimensions directly correlate to the extra .001 that is with lead and because of that it will not chamber. If I run it through the sizer a SECOND time it will just barely fit but the rounds are junk as the bullet can almost be pulled out. I just think a company should put something like "ok with lead but will need reamed out to function properly." Thats all.

It is a nice barrel when shooting FMJ's I will give it that but I noticed ZERO change in groupings so it did not help accuracy. I still shot a 460 in PPC. The whole reason I bought the barrel though was to shoot lead. I see very little reason to buy an aftermarket barrel when the stock is as good as it is. Lead was the only reason for me. I tried loading as deep and as shallow as I could to allow for changes in brass and length. I found at least 1 out of 10 rounds at the very least that would not chamber. Just upsetting is all.
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JR is the only one that doesn't seem to understand that when you advertise a barrel as being good with lead it should actually work with lead. KKM, Wilson and Storm Lake figured that out from the start.
No kidding. And he keeps bringing it up too. I guess he thinks that it's all good as long as we spell his name right.

JR, since you asked (again), I'll explain it (again). The problem is you advertise a product as being suitable for shooting lead bullets through a Glock. This obviously means reloads. Then you sell a product that won't work for that application. You used to correct the problem for free, now you charge a fee. Now, you're dealing with some people here who have been reloading for 50 years, some who are commercial ammunition manufacturers, and you blame the reloader!

You're entitled to have you're own opinion, and so are we. My opinion is that your chambers are too small and that you are too caught up in your own self to realize it. This opinion is held by many on this thread, but not all. Those who hold this opinion of your product, and and you, are critical of you and your product.

I'll tell you, at age 10, I met the President of the US operation of Aston Martin. This is a guy that was selling custom made cars worth over $150,000.00 back in the 1970's. He spent an hour with me, showing me the cars even though he new I couldn't buy one. He sent me personal correspondence on bonded paper signed with a fountain pen a month or so later. That made on impression on me and I remember it like it was yesterday. Now not every CEO can afford to do things like that, but that is a classy way to do things.
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Old 05-05-2012, 07:22   #237
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Since JR is here maybe he can answer a question that comes up very often that nobody seems to have a definitive answer to. Where are LWD barrels actually manufatured? It came up again on another site yesterday so I thought I would ask.

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I think the only thing I can do, is change the barrel description on our web site to offer the purchaser a match grade chamber (as stated) or a reloaders chamber similar to the one offered by all the others?
Actually, I think that is the only solution. It is a fact that lead bullets are 0.001" larger in diameter, by design. This increased diameter is not a reloading error, it is intentional.

If every dimension matches the SAAMI spec, with a lead bullet there will be zero clearance because the increased diameter of the lead bullet eats up the 0.001" clearance that the spec allowed. Zero clearance just isn't workable.

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I agree F106.

Here are SAMMI speced drawings for common Glock calibers both finished rounds and chamber sizes. Notice the +.004" -.000" tolerance on the chamber ID. Length tolerence is +.012" to +.015" -.000". Quite a bit of leaway.

http://www.saami.org/PubResources/CC...Luger%20+P.pdf
http://www.saami.org/PubResources/CC...40%20SandW.pdf
http://www.saami.org/PubResources/CC.../357%20Sig.pdf
http://www.saami.org/PubResources/CC...0Automatic.pdf

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I think the only thing I can do, is change the barrel description on our web site to offer the purchaser a match grade chamber (as stated) or a reloaders chamber similar to the one offered by all the others?
That's been stated a few times in this thread. It's also been offered that you state up front in the barrel description of the $30 to cut the chamber to match ammunition provided by the customer. It's stated in the FAQ, but my experience running a website is the FAQ is the least visited page of all.
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Regardless of which barrel one chooses, when reloading one should use a properly adjusted Lee Factory Crimp die in the final stage.
Which is a piece of junk and will swage lead bullets smaller in diameter. This will cause leading from the bullet being undersized and gas blowing by the gap. The FCD is a crutch for people that can't properly adjust their sizing die and is even worse for lead.

As I've stated in the thread a few times I've never had a problem with my threaded G30 LWD barrel either.

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Lot of folks here that talk in sound bites and reiterate ad copy from companies which perpetuates bad advice.
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Comes now LWD with another plea that the customers of LWD are idiots for expecting a product sold by them to perform as they indicated in their promotional statements on their website. They acknowledge that the lead bullets are out of SAAMI spec and still go on to assert that those same lead bullets will function in their barrels.

I guess that the inference is that the only lead bullets that will function in the LWD is the commercially produced ammo as in the Cowboy stuff. I just haven't seen many Glocks at those Cowboy shoots here in Idaho, perhaps elsewhere they are allowed.

Their website sounds similar to a capitalization of the intent of the buyer as an inducement to purchase a product that is known not to function in the way that the vast majority of buyers will use their product. Pitiful and Pathetic.
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Whatever it is, I MUST accept full responsibility for all the disgruntled (ness). Anyhow, I had a great conversation with Dave Kiff at Pacific Tool and Gauge today. Maybe some of you know him? Dave knows well what we do and why we do it, he built our reamers in the first place. BTW: The man has a stelar reputation in this industry. So, I have solid measurements HOWEVER it would do no good to post them. Given plenty of opportunity to post, non have complied, so I can only assume you would not understand dimensions anyway. Suffice it to say the $30 chamber modification we currently offer is one and the same used by Colt, Remington & Ruger.
Your just not very good at this. It's not our job to give you specs. We are the customer. We primarily want something that works. BUT, if you think a bunch of reloaders don't know how to read some numbers then you really don't know anything about this group.

Here is how most people think of you and your company's barrel/chamber came to be in the market.

I am going to make the BEST barrel ever. It's going to be "Match Grade" so I am going to make it to the smallest size listed for SAMMI spec. Then I will use standard rifling, sell it cheaper then everyone else selling a Glock Barrel because I made mine in some 3rd world country. Then I can claim it's the best because it's smaller then everyone elses and I sell more of them then any other barrel maker.

Problem is you QC has to be spot on if you are making it to min spec. No QC is perfect all the time.
Problem is all lead bullets are out of spec from the get go in 9mm and .40 and SIG.

If I owned a company I would pay to have that guy who bought two if your barrels to ship them back so you can compare them to the KKM. I would buy several KKM in every caliber and actually chamber cast them and see what OTHER MATCH GRADE barrels are really like. Then I would set out to make a barrel that actually worked for the reloader of the world and the Factory ammo would also work perfectly.

I would not say things like you did in this thread that belittles the people who buy your products and tries to make them look like they don't know anything. Those same people know more about this subject then you. Of that I am 100% sure.
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Which is a piece of junk and will swage lead bullets smaller in diameter. This will cause leading from the bullet being undersized and gas blowing by the gap. The FCD is a crutch for people that can't properly adjust their sizing die and is even worse for lead.

As I've stated in the thread a few times I've never had a problem with my threaded G30 LWD barrel either.


Lot of folks here that talk in sound bites and reiterate ad copy from companies which perpetuates bad advice.
I agree!

After twenty years in the firearms industry I have quite a distaste for most things LEE. I have sent more LEE products back, had more problems with the product line and more dissatisfied customers than all others combined.

I like to refer to the FCD as LEE's solution to a non existant problem.

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JR is the only one that doesn't seem to understand that when you advertise a barrel as being good with lead it should actually work with lead. KKM, Wilson and Storm Lake figured that out from the start.

I shoot tons of lead thru my various LW barrels; it works just fine.
You are missing the point. It's not about lead; it's about the dimensions of the final round. LW barrels do have tight chambers and short throats as does EVERY other "match barrel" that is designed for precision. If you can make uniform spec rounds that fit in a "match barrel" then they will work regardless of being plated, jacketed, hard cast, soft lead etc.

If you want to load uber loads to long COL with big honkin WFN bullets then you might need a longer throat which JR generously offers to do for $30. That is a bargain if you ask me.
LW makes a good product for a very reasonable price, has good customer service and prompt shipping. Their barrels are exactly what they advertise them to be. If that is not what you want buy a different barrel; doesn't make LW barrels a bad product.
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The truth of the matter is his customer base are users that take out a perfectly good barrel and put in his expecting that a "match grade" will make them a better shooter.

I am willing to bet reloaders are a very small piece of his customer base.
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The truth of the matter is his customer base are users that take out a perfectly good barrel and put in his expecting that a "match grade" will make them a better shooter.

I am willing to bet reloaders are a very small piece of his customer base.
That's an excellent point. They probably figure their grip plug shaves time off their scores too. The LWD barrel is to the Glock what the Mickey Thompson valve cover was to the hot-rodder.
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Once again I have to ask, how many disgruntled LWD barrel owners are actually reading this thread? My guess is 5 or less. Your complaint is noted that you were tricked into purchasing a match grade barrel that does not fit your reload. You refuse to return the barrel and pay $30 to have it altered.

How about I waive the $30 fee? You return the barrel and I will recut it to the Colt chamber. Once you receive the barrel with the new chamber you can repost how it works..... but you still get to complain about how you had to go through all this BS to get $30 off the price of the barrel and LWD sucks as usual.

I will talk to my IT guys and see about putting up some kind of warning on-line that our match grade barrels may not fit your home rolls so if you plan to make a purchase, we advise you to send in a few dummy loads so we can verify fit.

Shot: Glock factory barrels SUCK for reloaders. The chamber runs up to 6 thousandths larger than SAMMI. If you even had a CLUE you would not have posted such a silly statement

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You are missing the point. It's not about lead; it's about the dimensions of the final round. LW barrels do have tight chambers and short throats as does EVERY other "match barrel" that is designed for precision. If you can make uniform spec rounds that fit in a "match barrel" then they will work regardless of being plated, jacketed, hard cast, soft lead etc.
Not true. LW is much shorter and tighter for no real benefit and a huge PITA factor.
I am going to guess you work for LW or have nice script provided by JR. I have owned a LW and KKM as have many in this thread. Way more then 5 dissatisfied people.
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Once again I have to ask, how many disgruntled LWD barrel owners are actually reading this thread? My guess is 5 or less. Your complaint is noted that you were tricked into purchasing a match grade barrel that does not fit your reload. You refuse to return the barrel and pay $30 to have it altered.

How about I waive the $30 fee? You return the barrel and I will recut it to the Colt chamber. Once you receive the barrel with the new chamber you can repost how it works..... but you still get to complain about how you had to go through all this BS to get $30 off the price of the barrel and LWD sucks as usual.

I will talk to my IT guys and see about putting up some kind of warning on-line that our match grade barrels may not fit your home rolls so if you plan to make a purchase, we advise you to send in a few dummy loads so we can verify fit.

Shot: Glock factory barrels SUCK for reloaders. The chamber runs up to 6 thousandths larger than SAMMI. If you even had a CLUE you would not have posted such a silly statement

Wisky: I do not recall hearing any of your accomplishments?

Cycle: Thanks! There are way more of you than there is of them
So, you're going to put a disclaimer on your website about how your barrels may not fit reloads and you're going to waive the $30.00 fee? That sounds like what C4W and others had suggested you do all along. That sounds like a great idea.
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