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04-11-2012, 12:46
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Trayvon's Family Calls For Arrest Of Man: Vol II - Zimmerman Charged...
Zimmerman to be charged by Florida special prosecutor, report says
Lets start a new thread at this point...
There is a parallel thread in Cop Talk Zimmerman charged with murder 2nd
April 11, 2012, 21:15 - After the first thread went for close to 1,400 posts without trouble, I hoped I would not have to make this post, but some members in the first 60 posts here seem to neither understand civil discourse, nor staying on topic, nor the prohibition of racial baiting and trolling.
Please, lets continue as Bruce M and Misty say later in the thread...
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I hope this one stays as civil as the last thread.
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It is up to each and every one of us, I believe we can do it!
It is an intense case and not difficult to see how someone can lose composure temporarily, we can help one another by bringing anyone that strays back politely. You all have my permission to do it to me if you believe it is necessary. 
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Misbehavior will not be tolerated.
Thank you...
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04-11-2012, 12:51
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http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...-case#comments
If this is true he might want to get on the phone with his lawyers that have been trying to contact him...
Let the truth come out in trial...
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04-11-2012, 12:51
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Was just listening to a talking head. They *think* the charge will be Manslaughter, but the issue may be Florida's Stand Your Ground law, and it may not get to trial. A judge could possibly rule it self defense and dismiss the case before it gets to a jury (not that I think that will happen)
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04-11-2012, 13:22
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I'm very concerened that the charges are coming from "political" pressure....... Hopefully we will see what the evidence is to date........
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04-11-2012, 13:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IndyGunFreak
Was just listening to a talking head. They *think* the charge will be Manslaughter, but the issue may be Florida's Stand Your Ground law, and it may not get to trial. A judge could possibly rule it self defense and dismiss the case before it gets to a jury (not that I think that will happen)
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The judge wouldn't do that, he/she wants to be elected again.
The jury won't want to say innocent for fear of their own lives, if the jury pool is made public.
The DA seems to have convicted so the DA can be elected.
Ah the joys of democratic systems!
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04-11-2012, 13:26
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Originally Posted by rahrah12
If this is true he might want to get on the phone with his lawyers
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Or with Peruvian Airlines.
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04-11-2012, 13:27
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Oh yes Russ ......... thanks for starting a second thread. This whole thing is VERY important to us gunnies........
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04-11-2012, 13:36
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Originally Posted by CitizenOfDreams
Or with Peruvian Airlines.
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With how political the casehas gotten maybe he can apply for political asylum.
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04-11-2012, 13:43
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Now if you're Z, do you take it to a jury or a judge if it goes that far?
My leaning with what's been in the press, is to go to a bench trial. I figure that a judge is more likely to apply SYG than 12 random guys.
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04-11-2012, 14:12
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I'm with you, Sam. I'd request a bench trial.
I just pray the case is not moved to Jacksonville....for purely selfish reasons. I feel bad for the residents in whatever venue to which this case is moved.
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04-11-2012, 15:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bear62
I'm very concerned that the charges are coming from "political" pressure....
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It wouldn't be the first time it has happened in Florida.
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04-11-2012, 15:40
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Obama and Holder need to show their socialist/progressive friends in Europe that if you arm yourself and dare to protect your life, you will be charged with murder and go to jail.
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04-11-2012, 15:46
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Top of the page says that AP says Murder 2.
Welcome to Black America, gentleman.
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04-11-2012, 15:48
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Murder 2 - hope he has his story in order...
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04-11-2012, 15:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LongGoneDays
Top of the page says that AP says Murder 2.
Welcome to Black America, gentleman.
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A lot of white people I know were calling for this to...
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04-11-2012, 16:06
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So far Corey sounds like a politician...
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04-11-2012, 16:11
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According to prosecutor - Florida law,factual evidence, physical evidence, and testimonials have lead her to this decision.
Her findings lead her to believe that this was not justifiable homicide but in fact 2nd degree murder.
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04-11-2012, 16:14
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Her lecture sounded like they were out to find any possible reason to convict him...
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04-11-2012, 16:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rahrah12
According to prosecutor - Florida law,factual evidence, physical evidence, and testimonials have lead her to this decision.
Her findings lead her to believe that this was not justifiable homicide but in fact 2nd degree murder.
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Then why not entrust that to a grand jury?
Answer: Because a grand jury can't be trusted to deliver the political indictment being sought.
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04-11-2012, 16:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Hansen
Then why not entrust that to a grand jury?
Answer: Because a grand jury can't be trusted to deliver the political indictment being sought.
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Grand Jury is only for first degree...
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04-11-2012, 16:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zackwatt
Her lecture sounded like they were out to find any possible reason to convict him...
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I originally was thinking that until they went for 2nd degree...
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04-11-2012, 16:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Hansen
Then why not entrust that to a grand jury?
Answer: Because a grand jury can't be trusted to deliver the political indictment being sought.
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As F'ed up as NJ is, at least all indictable charges go to the Grand Jury. The Prosecutor can charge whatever he wants, but the Grand Jury ultimately decides what stands.
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04-11-2012, 16:20
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George Zimmerman Charged with 2nd Degree Murder
What are everyone's thoughts on this?
I'll withhold my thoughts for the moment until I get some other feedback.
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04-11-2012, 16:21
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Racial politics at its worst. Trial and possible aftermath will be a circus.
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04-11-2012, 16:24
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"Trayvon's parents are the constitutional victims." - Spec Prosecuter Angela Corey
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