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04-08-2012, 13:06
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Why doesn't SIG/HK make a striker fired pistol?
FN just got in the game (FNS), S/W been there a while, Ruger has too...Beretta just did the Nano and I suspect we will see a replacement for the PX4 line sometime.....Glock set the standard and I love em'.
Why oh why doesn't Sig or my beloved HK pony up and get into the striker fired world?
HK at least has been in the polymer game for a long time. I can't understand why either manufacturer has not entered into the striker fired build. My only guess is that it may devalue sales of their "classic" lines but I have to guess they are loosing market share as it stands. It is at the point that I am seriously considering becoming an FN fan boy as I can get FN rifles to accessorize any FN pistol I buy  . (can't really do that with HK) At least they are setting trends and keeping price within reason.
I have no knock on DA/SA or SAO mind you...I have some HK's and a Sig 2022. All that said...I wonder if we will see DA/SA in major production 5-10 years from now.
Anyone have any insight or opinion?
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04-08-2012, 13:08
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HK has made striker fired guns before. Hell, they made one before Glock did.
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04-08-2012, 13:11
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Because.
Because.
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04-08-2012, 13:14
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There was a rumor that HK was working on a new polymer striker fired pistol but I think it's vaporware at this point. I haven't heard anything more about it outside of the rumor. As far as Sig, I don't know of any plans for them to make one either. I think Sig and HK are better staying with they do best. (DA/SA.)
At least with HK they already have a great DAO system. Sig's DAK leaves a lot to be desired though. Who knows what they will do in the future.
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04-08-2012, 13:19
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I'd say a decent portion of HK's civilian sales go to people like me who want a polymer pistol, but want a hammer.
HK, of course, has been down the striker fired path before (as previously mentioned).
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04-08-2012, 13:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NEOH212
There was a rumor that HK was working on a new polymer striker fired pistol but I think it's vaporware at this point. I haven't heard anything more about it outside of the rumor. As far as Sig, I don't know of any plans for them to make one either. I think Sig and HK are better staying with they do best. (DA/SA.)
At least with HK they already have a great DAO system. Sig's DAK leaves a lot to be desired though. Who knows what they will do in the future.
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Personally, I love the DAK trigger. It takes some dry firing and range time for them to settle in, but they are fantastic once they do.
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04-08-2012, 13:25
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My guess is that ten years from now both Sig and H&K will still be in business and that the Glock carbine will not have taken a serious amount of long gun sales from either.
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04-08-2012, 14:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce M
My guess is that ten years from now both Sig and H&K will still be in business and that the Glock carbine will not have taken a serious amount of long gun sales from either.
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04-08-2012, 14:44
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Correct me if im wrong but a few years ago I thought HK said they were going to steer clear of Striker Fired Pistols.
Their reasoning was hammers were superior if you run into a situation where the first primer strike doesnt go through you can just fire again instead of racking it back to reset the pin in striker fired pistols.
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04-08-2012, 15:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gatorglockman
Why oh why doesn't Sig or my beloved HK pony up and get into the striker fired world?
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Seriously? 
HK built strikers long before Glock.
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04-08-2012, 15:34
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Originally Posted by bac1023
Seriously?
HK built strikers long before Glock. |
Pssst....
Hey, Bac...
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Originally Posted by WoodenPlank
HK has made striker fired guns before. Hell, they made one before Glock did.
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04-08-2012, 16:03
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Let's recast this topic to view what is really being asked:
When are SIG/HK going to make pistols that suck as hard as a Glock does?
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04-08-2012, 16:07
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Why doesn't Glock make a hammer fired DA/SA or SAO model? I assume because Glock only makes 1 product in 4 different sizes and in 6 different calibers.
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04-08-2012, 16:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boats
Let's recast this topic to view what is really being asked:
When are SIG/HK going to make pistols that suck as hard as a Glock does?
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Well put, Boats...
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04-08-2012, 16:27
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Originally Posted by AudiGregg
Why doesn't Glock make a hammer fired DA/SA or SAO model? I assume because Glock only makes 1 product in 4 different sizes and in 6 different calibers.
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04-08-2012, 17:07
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Originally Posted by gatorglockman
Why oh why doesn't Sig or my beloved HK pony up and get into the striker fired world?
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Because nobody, and I do mean nobody tells Germans what to do! You WILL buy whatever Germans make!
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04-08-2012, 17:14
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Originally Posted by ijacek
Because nobody, and I do mean nobody tells Germans what to do! You WILL buy whatever Germans make!
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And your problem with that is WHAT? Yes, I was born in the Old Country.
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04-08-2012, 17:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boats
Let's recast this topic to view what is really being asked:
When are Glock Haters going to start posting stuff that doesn't suck as hard as their guns do?
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Fixed it for ya? 
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04-08-2012, 17:32
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Originally Posted by Tiro Fijo
Fixed it for ya? |
Wake me up when Glock has fixed all the issues with the Gen4 guns.
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04-08-2012, 17:49
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Daaaaaaaaaaaaang.....not much love on this thread. Yup! Forgot about the P7...sorry LOL. Then again, while that pistol is awesome, it is not dominating the modern sales market.
I am surprised at the comments for real. I would love to see market share/earnings and other analytical data on civi and govt sales of pistols in the US and abroad. I wager cost per unit, design type, etc all favor the polymer striker pistol and that Glock and SW dominate 80% of the market (my ignorant guess mind you). I am not saying they are the best...just what is selling.
I think the striker fired design is effective, relevant and exceptionally popular style. I just can't understand the business logic of Sig and HK ignoring challenging that market share. That was the heart of my thread.
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04-08-2012, 17:52
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Originally Posted by gatorglockman
Daaaaaaaaaaaaang.....not much love on this thread. Yup! Forgot about the P7...sorry LOL. Then again, while that pistol is awesome, it is not dominating the modern sales market.
I am surprised at the comments for real. I would love to see market share/earnings and other analytical data on civi and govt sales of pistols in the US and abroad. I wager cost per unit, design type, etc all favor the polymer striker pistol and that Glock and SW dominate 80% of the market (my ignorant guess mind you). I am not saying they are the best...just what is selling.
I think the striker fired design is effective, relevant and exceptionally popular style. I just can't understand the business logic of Sig and HK ignoring challenging that market share. That was the heart of my thread.
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Honestly, I imagine it's because they derive a lot of sales from A) long guns and B) European governments, enough so that they aren't terribly concerned with getting into a market that's already pretty well saturated.
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04-08-2012, 20:08
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Some people like hammer fired pistols.....I do.
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04-08-2012, 20:18
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Originally Posted by WoodenPlank
Pssst....
Hey, Bac...
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Yeah, sometimes I just read the opening post without looking at the responses. 
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04-08-2012, 20:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gatorglockman
Daaaaaaaaaaaaang.....not much love on this thread. Yup! Forgot about the P7...sorry LOL. Then again, while that pistol is awesome, it is not dominating the modern sales market.
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It wasn't just the P7 though, the P9 is also a great striker fired pistol.
As for new production strikers, I don't think Sig or HK have any immediate plans for them. They seem to be doing just fine with hammers. 
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04-08-2012, 20:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bac1023
It wasn't just the P7 though, the P9 is also a great striker fired pistol.
As for new production strikers, I don't think Sig or HK have any immediate plans for them. They seem to be doing just fine with hammers. |
 
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