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Old 04-07-2012, 07:24   #21
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Don't they teach people "Don't poke the bear? Especially the one in the Smokey hat?"
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Old 04-07-2012, 07:24   #22
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I am just surprised you have not encountered this type of behavior before. Cop baiting has been around as long as there have been cops.


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Old 04-07-2012, 08:08   #23
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Without agreeing with Clyde's post wholesale, it sounds like your stop was BS.
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Old 04-07-2012, 08:53   #24
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The reason I stopped you isn't the same thing as the reason I looked at you. And it doesn't have to be.

Behavior that's tolerated in Phoenix, that bastion of civility, isn't the same thing as behavior that's tolerated in Mayberry. And it doesn't have to be.
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Old 04-07-2012, 08:53   #25
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Just WOW!!!!!!

Talk about the dumbest, most asinine post of the day.
The day is young yet.
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Old 04-07-2012, 08:54   #26
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My record for a single stop was 23 summonses. All issued to the same *********.

He kept talking and I kept writing.

Sometimes the pen IS mightier than the sword.
Quoted for the truth.
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Old 04-07-2012, 08:58   #27
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You know it is amazing how they carry over that behaviour into prison. And, then there are those who seem to carry that attitude right back to the streets; commit more felonies; and come right on back. I figure if they hated cops so much they would not be verbally poking the cop, and going on with life. But, no.
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Old 04-07-2012, 08:59   #28
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As long as there is a valid law violation under the motor vehicle statutes of the state, then the stop is a valid one.

Or....as OfficerX stated, if there is reasonable suspicion then a motor vehicle stop can be conducted as well.

The OP said the motorist was cited. It might be pretty stupid to yell obsenities at the police when you have, say, a cracked windshield.

What was the violation he was cited for?
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Old 04-07-2012, 09:25   #29
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My FTO told me way back when, "just because you can do it doesn't mean you should."

Wave and smile. Pisses them off much worse thinking they didn't get your attention.
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:02   #30
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PC for the stop was defective equipment, as there was a giant spiderweb crack in this guys windshield. The guy had a clean record with only a few citations in his driving history. He simply hated cops for whatever reason. Which is fine, I certainly didn't get into this career to win any popularity contests.

As far as putting myself in harms way, that happens every time I engage my emergency equipment to conduct a traffic stop. That is why we always maintain the highest level of OS.

I look at it this way, this was a situation where this gentleman wanted to draw the attention of the police, so he yells at a cop on a traffic stop. He just happened to do so driving a car with equipment violations.
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:08   #31
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I look at it this way, this was a situation where this gentleman wanted to draw the attention of the police, so he yells at a cop on a traffic stop. He just happened to do so driving a car with equipment violations.
I guess he won't be winning any Darwin awards.

What did Forest Gump say? Stupid is as stupid does.
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:24   #32
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I hope you 'roughed him up' a little, and threatened pull out your glock 40 and blast him a few times.
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:26   #33
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As far as putting myself in harms way, that happens every time I engage my emergency equipment to conduct a traffic stop. That is why we always maintain the highest level of OS.
This. But then again, kenpoprofessor knows better than all of us, just ask him, he'll be more than willing to tell you.

Was the making the stop as mature as could be? No, but tell me everyone here always takes the high road and has never chosen to meet these idiots on their level and I'd be more than willing to join those calling the OP's stop BS or whatever. I happen to be sitting next to a copy of MI's MVC and let me tell you, it's 3 inches thick in very small print, so I doubt the OP made up a reason to conduct the stop. And as the SCOTUS has ruled that pretext stops are fine, I don't see what the OP did was legally or even morally wrong. Again, not the most mature way to handle it, but on the other hand, maybe this mook will think twice before pulling the same thing next time.

Of course, in kenpo's fictitious world, he just needed to get it out of his system, and the next time he saw a traffic stop being conducted, he would drive by and wave and smile and thank the offiver for keeping him and his loved ones safe. Meanwhile, in reality, not addressing that behavior only encourages it. Hopefully idiot child learned a lesson out of this and will keep his opinions of other professions to himself next time.

Personally, I'm glad you wrote him a skid. Waving and smiling or a snarky comeback is excellent, too, but I've got zero problems with this idiot getting sprayed in the face when he's the one that shook the bottle up and and opened it.
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:32   #34
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So, you pull him over with what PC? And yes, you did pull him over to harass him, you just admitted you wanted to "talk to him". Maybe, just maybe, you might have changed his opinion had you not pulled him over and out of his vehicle or cited him, and instead, just left him alone.

You realize that you intentionally put yourself in harm's way doing what you did right?

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Old 04-07-2012, 10:40   #35
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I know someone who does the same thing - yells at cops

Yes, I think he is a dumbass for doing so and have shared that opinion with him.

Here's my plan for when he does get pulled over : start yelling as the LEO approaches the vehicle, "Help me officer! He kidnapped me! He touched me in my private place! He says he won't be taken alive! He has a bomb hidden on him where he thinks you'll never find it!"
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:41   #36
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When a driver takes their eyes off the road to yell out a window or make gestures that falls under failure to maintain control or even wreck-less driving. Have written it on several occasions and never had it rejected in court.
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:55   #37
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Back when I was new.... I had a vehicle near miss me one evening. The passenger attempted to communicate with me. Apparently, he thought I was #1.
Funny thing, he had a warrant. I got home late after booking him. It was worth it. Then he didn't show for court. LOSER!

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Old 04-07-2012, 11:55   #38
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Nice thing with Texas is speeding and open container are the only two violations that Peace Officers can not arrest for. And City Ord's that many dont know about.

Our local judges agree that if you curse at an officer in public, and a person other than the officer can hear it and might be offended, than its a good charge.

The way we deal with it at work is if the person is aggresive or hostile, we make a lawful stop, followed by a lawful arrest, and lawful impound of the vehicle. They they go on file with our PD for being anti-police and every dealing they have will get extra attention.

It funny to see how over the years people go from being anti-police to waving and being nice. All it takes is one to two arrests w/fines and impound fees to get people to ignore you or even respect you.

If you go looking for trouble, do not be mad when you find it, or shocked when you get the full attention you thought you wanted.
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Old 04-07-2012, 12:26   #39
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Maybe, just maybe, you might have changed his opinion had you not pulled him over and out of his vehicle or cited him, and instead, just left him alone.
Now, seriously...how would that have changed his opinion?

How would he have known that arcanetripwire did so to change his opinion of cops?

How?
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Old 04-07-2012, 13:46   #40
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My personal fave is to smile and wave back and yell "Jesus loves you!". It never fails to make the offending party's blood boil. You've seen the cartoons where the thermometer gets so hot that the mercury explodes out the top? Yeah, that's how mad it makes these a-holes. Laughing right now just thinking about the last time I used that on some idiot.

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