Wilson Combat 1911? - Page 2

fnfalman · 04-04-2012, 14:36

When Bill Wilson shot in ISPC, did he build his "race gun" or did he use somebody else's product?

***faawrenchbndr*** · 04-04-2012, 14:46

Bill Wilson actually started shooting competitively in '76 or '77 and
he was shooting a Colt Python. I believe he transitioned to semi-autos
in late '79, doing his own trigger jobs & accuracy enhancements.
I've never heard about what he was shooting, but I'd put my money
on them being Colts he enhanced himself.

Rumbler_G20 · 04-04-2012, 15:23

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Originally Posted by MD357

Seem you have little if any experience with true "race guns."

If you are trying to tie IDPA in as a "race gun" competition.... I have to ask.... have you ever shot a match? Especially in CDP? Because it's not exactly a secret on how many "stock" guns you'll see at a local match. Rather, a majority are perfectly suited for carry. To put it even more simply....When was the last time you saw one of these?
in CDP? or Wilson's website? Like I said....99% of what Wilson does is practical for everyday use. BIG HINT on Wilson history. Why was IDPA started and how does it differ from other "gun races?" Get back to me when you figure it out.

Umm, that is not a Wilson Combat pistol. And I'll admit that you have me on that web site thing. You see, I didn't and haven't visited it. Though I do speak with Jim sometimes. You know, like Holidays, birthdays, family reunions. You see, he is my father's brother. My uncle.

Woops - on you.

TN.Frank · 04-04-2012, 15:59

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Originally Posted by glock2740

I love mine. Great gun. Also, from another forum, where the OP posted this same thread, and was told that a Wilson is the same thing as a Kimber, RIA, ATI, SA Loaded, etc. that costs $2500+ more just because it says Wilson on the side of it.

Can't blame that one on me because I never said any such thing.

***jtull7*** · 04-04-2012, 16:56

faa, the grips are amboina wood, a tree that grows in southern Asia. I actually bought them off of a GTer.

***faawrenchbndr*** · 04-04-2012, 17:02

Thanks John,..........

fnfalman · 04-04-2012, 18:17

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Originally Posted by jtull7

faa, the grips are amboina wood, a tree that grows in southern Asia. I actually bought them off of a GTer.

Amboyna burl is gorgeous, but is a bit softer than coco bolo.

Esmeralda makes grips out of Amboyna burl.

bac1023 · 04-04-2012, 20:36

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Originally Posted by MD357

Just curious as to why you guys are babbling about race guns? 99% of what Wilson does, has nothing to do with a "race gun" platform. STI and SVI maybe..... but Wilson?

Exactly.

I was wondering that myself.

MD357 · 04-04-2012, 22:24

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Umm, that is not a Wilson Combat pistol.

That's my whole point my friend. I was showing you what a race gun was, then asked you to point one out on his website. (Hint: There isn't one) Are we up to speed now?

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Though I do speak with Jim sometimes. You know, like Holidays, birthdays, family reunions. You see, he is my father's brother. My uncle.

Woops - on you

Dunno how this validates you? If true, then you're even more uninformed as to what he builds than previously thought. It's quite impressive that you're family and you have no clue as to what his business' priority is, and/or what the premise of IDPA is.

***faawrenchbndr*** · 04-04-2012, 22:29

(.Y.)

glock2740 · 04-04-2012, 22:49

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Originally Posted by TN.Frank

Can't blame that one on me because I never said any such thing.

Nope. It wasn't you Frank. Not this time.

omarimoe · 04-04-2012, 23:02

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Originally Posted by glock2740

I love mine. Great gun. Also, from another forum, where the OP posted this same thread, and was told that a Wilson is the same thing as a Kimber, RIA, ATI, SA Loaded, etc. that costs $2500+ more just because it says Wilson on the side of it. Please OP, ask your questions on here or 1911addicts.com if you want serious responses, unlike you what you got on the other forum that I saw this same thread listed on. Some real knowledge over here, unlike over there.

yeah it was up in the air but the more i read the more i want to buy one i will have to see wat a wait time will be like.

glock2740 · 04-04-2012, 23:37

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Originally Posted by omarimoe

yeah it was up in the air but the more i read the more i want to buy one i will have to see wat a wait time will be like.

Don't let wait time scare you off. You get what you pay for and waiting on something that is worth waiting on is usually worth the wait.

Also, look into Guncrafter. They build one hell of a gun. I'm a huge Wilson fan, but Guncrafter is making the best 1911 for the money right now, IMO. Plus, Alex is starting to branch out on options more and more. You can't go wrong with either one. Also check out Springfield's Custom Shop (SACS). They build a great gun as well. And welcome to GT.

**DustyJacket** · 04-05-2012, 00:00

I've owned a number of M1911 and M1911A1 over the years, from WWII production, up through a Delta Elite from the 1980s.

My only one now is also the best I've owned. It fits me like a glove. (And my daughter does well with it so it will stay in the family.)

Bill Wilson Carry (CQB variant)

mleroux21 · 04-05-2012, 00:57

I agree completely with GLOCK2740. Guncrafters is a force to be reckoned with right now. Wilson is a great pistol manufacturer but Alex at Guncrafters is going to get busier and busier in the coming years.

Marc

bac1023 · 04-05-2012, 07:23

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Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr

Bill Wilson actually started shooting competitively in '76 or '77 and
he was shooting a Colt Python. I believe he transitioned to semi-autos
in late '79, doing his own trigger jobs & accuracy enhancements.
I've never heard about what he was shooting, but I'd put my money
on them being Colts he enhanced himself.

I agree on all points.

bac1023 · 04-05-2012, 07:24

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Originally Posted by glock2740

Don't let wait time scare you off. You get what you pay for and waiting on something that is worth waiting on is usually worth the wait.

Also, look into Guncrafter. They build one hell of a gun. I'm a huge Wilson fan, but Guncrafter is making the best 1911 for the money right now, IMO. Plus, Alex is starting to branch out on options more and more. You can't go wrong with either one. Also check out Springfield's Custom Shop (SACS). They build a great gun as well. And welcome to GT.

Guncrafter is certainly one of the best values in high end 1911s.

***faawrenchbndr*** · 04-05-2012, 07:29

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Originally Posted by glock2740

Don't let wait time scare you off. You get what you pay for and waiting on something that is worth waiting on is usually worth the wait.

Also, look into Guncrafter. They build one hell of a gun. I'm a huge Wilson fan, but Guncrafter is making the best 1911 for the money right now, IMO. Plus, Alex is starting to branch out on options more and more. You can't go wrong with either one. Also check out Springfield's Custom Shop (SACS). They build a great gun as well. And welcome to GT.

Correct me if I am wrong please, but didn't Alex cut his teeth at
Wilson Combat? I think I heard he was an Engineer.
Can anyone confirm?

MD357 · 04-05-2012, 07:33

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Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr

Correct me if I am wrong please, but didn't Alex cut his teeth at
Wilson Combat? I think I heard he was an Engineer.
Can anyone confirm?

Yes, he was head of the "race gun" dept.

Seriously, I'm not sure.

***faawrenchbndr*** · 04-05-2012, 07:52

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Originally Posted by MD357

Yes, he was head of the "race gun" dept.

Seriously NOT flippin funny,..........coffee just shot out my dang nose!

Good one,.....................

TN.Frank · 04-05-2012, 08:01

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Originally Posted by glock2740

Nope. It wasn't you Frank. Not this time.

Let me go on record right here and right now that I never said and never will say that a low end gun like my ATI or an RIA or Regent is the same quality as a Wilson Combat, Les Baer, Ed Brown, ect. They're all made out of much higher quality parts and have hours of fitting and finishing that my ATI never had.
What I did say was that my ATI was running 100% and hitting where I aimed it same as if I'd spend $3500 on a Custom.
Will my gun last as long as a Custom, probably not but on the other hand I do plan on putting some better quality parts into this gun so that it'll be better then it is now.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I LOVE to Tinker with firearms. It's been a hobby of mine for many, many years. It'd bring tears to my eyes if I had a $3500 Custom and went to do something to it and put a scratch on it but with my ATI I really don't care. It's a "beater" that I got into for the soul purpose of playing with and tinkering on.
I'd love to own a Springfield someday or maybe even a Kimber(saw their Custom II at Bud's and I could get one out the door for $819 bucks, not bad at all really) but I know I'll never be able to afford something really nice like a high end custom so I don't dwell on it, why beat myself up like that.
For those that can afford a high end Custom I think that's awesome to be able to treat yourself to something that nice, just do us all a favor and don't turn the gun into a "Safe Queen", get it out and shoot it. That's what all those high end parts with hours of hand fitting were destine for, to shoot, not to collect dust in a safe.

MD357 · 04-05-2012, 08:13

Just thought I'd copy and paste this here due to relevancy...

Egocentrism is when one is over preoccupied with their own internal world. Egocentrics regard oneself and one's own opinions or interests as most important or valid. Self-relevant information is seen to be more important in shaping one’s judgements than do thoughts about others and other-relevant information (Windschitl, Rose, Stalkfleet & Smith, 2008). It also generates the inability to fully understand or to cope with other people's opinions and the fact that reality can be different from what they are ready to accept despite any change in their personal belief.

Back to the OP. I'm gonna second the recommendation for Guncrafter, it's honestly hard to go wrong with a number of the custom makers.

TN.Frank · 04-05-2012, 08:25

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Originally Posted by MD357

Back to the OP. I'm gonna second the recommendation for Guncrafter, it's honestly hard to go wrong with a number of the custom makers.

I really like the look of their "No Name" 1911. If funds would allow that'd be a nice gun to get.

Shadyscott69 · 04-05-2012, 10:10

I think they are outstanding. I currently have 2. If I was looking currently, I believe I would go with a GC No Name.

AA#5 · 04-05-2012, 10:14

I bought a Wilson CQB eight years ago. After owning Colts, two S&W's & a Kimber Gold Match, the Wilson is the only one that has never malfunctioned - 6,600 rounds to date. And, with my handloads, it's more accurate than the 1"/25 yd. accuracy guarantee.