[TrueGunNut]

Guys,

These days, if you wanted an SBR that wouls have some punch for HD, shtf and also be a nice toy/plinker, which would you go with?- aks74u krinkov 5.45 or an m92, draco 7.62?

I REALLY like the traditional krink look of the aks74u.

Is the 5.45 in an 8" barrel worth a hoot? I know it has more punch than a traditional submachine gun firing 9mm or 45acp..

Is ammo still priced right? I already have a lot of 7.62x39 for my mak90, so i need to justify adding another caliber.

Lastly, where can you get an aks74u? Atlantic firearms sells red jacket ones... Are they crap or quality?

[plouffedaddy]

For an SBR, I'd go 7.62. That said, either will work well . One of the advantages of most ~30 cal rounds is how they shoot in short barrels and the 7.62x39 is no exception.

If you're willing to shoot corrosive, the 5.45 ammo is certainly still priced right. 11-12 cents a round if you look around.

[pugman]

[Mental note...don't move to Houstin/Austin, TX...dem folks needs an AK for home dfence ]

7.62 at typical home defense ranges (the average home shooting is at 12') will ruin someone's day...so will 5.45...heck at that range so will a well thrown frying pan

The akfiles (or is it forum) price guide has 5.45 still found at 11.8 cents a round...don't know about shipping.

I am no ammo guru, and I've read some of the poison bullet stuff, but a rifle at that range to me at least screams over penetration. All the castle doctrine aside, I sure has heck don't want a SBR'ed AK in front a jury when some scumbag lawyer lookin' to line his pockets is telling a panel of my "peers" how poor Mr. Badguy was just confused when he entered my house through a window. I'm not worried so much about a criminal charge - but its the wrongful death suit which will bury you.

If it was my money....for a plinker and HD I would get a 20 gauge. Bought one for my wife and you can shoot all day sore shoulder free and its fun as heck

If I was spending your money...I would get the 7.62...two weapons with the same ammo at the right times can be priceless.

Originally Posted by TrueGunNut

I already have a lot of 7.62x39 for my mak90

This is your wife/girlfriend/inner channeled democrat or whomever talking. You can never have enough ammunition.

[TrueGunNut]

Correction. This is for a toy and for shtf lol. Not for HD. I didn't really mean that.

I'm still kind of on the fence about corrosive 5.45.. Looks to be some new production 7n6 out there that is non corrosive. I just like the way the aks74u looks over the draco or m92 yugo... Wonder if you can make a 7.62 look iust like aksu?

[PlasticGuy]

One of my close friends has a 7.62 sbr in the form of an Arsenal 107ur. It is a fantastic shooter. He finally put an Aimpoint on it, and the last group I shot from the bench was 1.25" at 50 yards. Not bad for an 8.3" barrel. Performance of the 7.62x39 out of a short barrel is surprisingly good.

That said, I am going the 5.45 route for mine. Ammo cost is much less if you are willing to shoot corrosive ammo. I never will, but non-corrosive ammo costs the same so I lose nothing. Recoil is a bit less, so rate of fire is slightly higher in shooting drills. It is a bit less powerful, but is still a highly effective choice inside of 200 meters. It will also penetrate any handgun rated armor. It would not by my first choice for a true fighting rifle, but that's not what I ask of it. It is possibly the most effective pdw/smg ever made. How can that be a bad thing?

If you chose to go the 5.45 route, I would suggest buying a kit from RGuns. They are selling virgin AK74u kits for $775. There are a few barrel options, but I got a US made chrome lined barrel for $160. A NoDakSpud receiver is the easiest option, but I opted for a 1.6mm Arsenal USA receiver for $89. Labor isthe only other big cost, and industry average is probably in the $800-$1200 range. The whole project will cost you about $2000 by the time you're done. Not everybody wants to pay that much money for a gun, but it is well worth it to me.

[TrueGunNut]

Sounds like you got a bad little krink coming your way!

[PlasticGuy]

Originally Posted by TrueGunNut

Sounds like you got a bad little krink coming your way!

Two, actually. I figured that finding everything would be the hard part, so every time I found a piece I needed I ordered two. It will be quite a while before they are built and back in my hands, but I am already excited.

[Bravo 1]

Bought this 74U and PBS-5 can from Red Jacket years ago.

But I did install a U.S. palm grip on it recently, since I real sized hands. And it is fantastic btw.

I shoot corrosive ammo through it everytime I get it out.

Personally I love all the hand-wringing over corrosive ammo, it keeps the demand lower.


So, NEVER BUY CORROSIVE AMMO, YOUR GUN WILL DISSOLVE AND YOUR HAIR WILL FALL OUT!!!!!!!!

[TrueGunNut]

Let me change this up....

Would you guys rather buy on of the two aforementioned, or an Hk53 sbr clone?

Looking for just one Tiny cannon...

[Bravo 1]

Well, both have a proven operating system.

You can install a rail on either one now a days.

The grip on an HK sucks, but I think you can change that too.

I guess it comes down to 2 things really,


How much do you want to spend on ammo?

and, what do YOU want? it is your money and weapon.

Either one will need a can, the HK is a little more difficult to suppress.

Have you ever thought of buying a, 11.5 5.56 SBR?

They are very sexy and as long as you are shooting MK 262, it is a viable weapon out to 300m.

Easier to suppress, modify, but ammo sucks unless you roll your own.

[TTM65]

I have built the following, unissued bulgy AK74U, unissued Yugo M92 krink, and I turned an HK 33 kit into an HK 53 clone using a 53 barrel and converted the magwell to accept AR mags. Of the three I like the AK74u the best. I am partial to the 5.45 caliber and the side folder more than the underfolder. I actually have 2 of the HK 53's and do not really like them at all. They look good, function good but are extremely loud. IF you can have only one then I would go for the AK74U and I truley doubt you will ever regret the choice.