[Pardoner]

At about time stamp 0:48, you can see the officer clearly checking out the back of his head. I doubt he was checking out the back of his head to make sure he wasn't trying to conceal anything in the lack of hair he had.

Originally Posted by WarCry

Hard to make out, but I thought it looked a bit like he had a good shiner starting on the right eye, and possibly a cut of some kind on the crown of his head.

I'm not worried about not seeing any blood. There was a shooting. I'm willing to bet EMTs were called who would have cleaned up the wounds (presuming they were there) and checked to make sure it wasn't more serious.



The wounds - if I recall - were documented in the police report from the time of the incident, before the public hype blew up over it. Why would have they have thrown something in there that would only be useful IF someone got a wild hair up their butt over it?

[rahrah12]

Originally Posted by Misty02

Some reports say that when they found him he had no ID. The father was apparently calling 911 for about 12 hours before he found out his son was dead.

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If they had all of that info that night why did it take 3 days?

(I am not directing this towards you directly)

[Pardoner]

Originally Posted by Misty02

Some reports say that when they found him he had no ID. The father was apparently calling 911 for about 12 hours before he found out his son was dead.

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As reported by the Martin family attorney, they called the police to see if he had been arrested. That's how they figured out who he might be. Funny that the first thing that comes to mind when he doesn't show up is to check if he was arrested.

Of course everyone else in the neighborhood heard the screaming and the gunshot, but not them?

[Misty02]

Originally Posted by rahrah12

http://ed.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/0...orge-zimmerman

police surveillance video...

Many of you in this thread are police officers and know how to ID people much better than I could. Does the man on this video look like either of the pictures posted of Zimmerman? Additionally, the police report showed he is 5’9”, news articles say he was nearly 100 lbs heavier than Martin. The police report shows Martin’s weight at 160. Does the man on this video look 5’9” and almost 260 lbs?

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[Misty02]

Originally Posted by rahrah12

If they had all of that info that night why did it take 3 days

(I am not directing this towards you directly)

I’m glad is not directed at me as I wouldn’t have the slightest clue.

Originally Posted by Pardoner

As reported by the Martin family attorney, they called the police to see if he had been arrested. That's how they figured out who he might be. Funny that the first thing that comes to mind when he doesn't show up is to check if he was arrested

Of course everyone else in the neighborhood heard the screaming and the gunshot, but not them?

I would have called 911 to see if there was an accident as he was on foot (would have done the same if they were driving, btw). But that is just me.


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[Dragoon44]

Originally Posted by rahrah12

Police department report shows Trayvon Martins full name, date of birth, and street address but his body was tagged as a John Doe?

The police report is the result of the complete investigation. By the time the investigation was done they had all that info that is why it appears on the police report.

[rahrah12]

Originally Posted by Dragoon44

The police report is the result of the complete investigation. By the time the investigation was done they had all that info that is why it appears on the police report.

The police report was submitted at 3:07 AM...that night (or morning).

Why was the body then labeled a John Doe

[Cav]

Originally Posted by rahrah12

http://ed.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/0...orge-zimmerman

police surveillance video...

Lets see...

ABC posted video
ABC logo covers best shots, and they placed the logo
Looks like a cut to the eye, and swelling to the lip, and back of head has what look like a gash at about the center of the back of his head (3-4") in second inside video nose looks odd
Jacket/sweater is red, same color as blood
Was treated on scene 15 to 30 min prior by EMS who tends to clean wounds to see how bad they are

If supporting the black community and race baiting is the goal, ABC is all over it. Good reporting!

[Cav]

Originally Posted by rahrah12

The police report was submitted at 3:07 AM...that night (or morning).

Why was the body then labeled a John Doe

Dad thought son was out doing his thing (what ever dad might think his sone was doing for that long), and about 12 hours later dad called the PD to ask if his son had been arrested.

Sounds like stuff every parent of the year does.

[Cav]

Originally Posted by rahrah12

The police report was submitted at 3:07 AM...that night (or morning).

Why was the body then labeled a John Doe

Oh and if you ask about the teens cell phone, the police tried to look up family and friends, but the phone was locked.

Side note, drug dealers tend to lock their phones too.

[WarCry]

Originally Posted by Misty02

Many of you in this thread are police officers and know how to ID people much better than I could. Does the man on this video look like either of the pictures posted of Zimmerman? Additionally, the policy report showed he is 5’9”, news articles say he was nearly 100 lbs heavier than Martin. The police report shows Martin’s weight at 160. Does the man on this video look 5’9” and almost 260 lbs?

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I'm not a cop, and I generally suck at guessing height/weight, but I'm about the same height, and close to the same weight ("close" on the wrong side, if ya catch my drift). I can believe those stats. Looks like he's got a bit of a paunch in the middle, and there's a lot of weight that can be carried there but looks deceptive.

The main reason I know this is because people seem shocked when I tell them my weight (or they're just being really polite).

[Dragoon44]

Originally Posted by rahrah12

The police report was submitted at 3:07 AM...that night (or morning).

Why was the body then labeled a John Doe

Before it was released to the public they would have added his personal info not released it as John Doe.

Also you are misreading that report. the "Time Completed" does not refer tot eh time the report was completed. Notice the three categories in a row, "Time Dispatched", "Time arrived" "time Completed". Time completed is the time the officers left the scene. or the time they were finally finished with whatever they had to do with the call.

[Cav]

Based on a close black friend of Mr Zimmerman, he has not weighed 250 to 260 lbs in years. He is reported to be much less than that.

Here is a current photo vs the old biased news media hyped one;

[DocCasualty]

Originally Posted by ICARRY2

I think you guys in FL, both leo and non-leo need to get ready for some "civil unrest".

BTW, anyone know how to find the statistics about how many whites kill blacks and blacks kill whites every year in the US?

Here's the numbers for 2010, the last complete year available from the FBI's UCR. These are for single offender/single victim. These are the gross numbers, not rates adjusted for race.


Just Google FBI and go to "Stats and Services" > "Crime Statistics/UCR" if you want different years, etc.

[rahrah12]

Originally Posted by Cav

Dad thought son was out doing his thing (what ever dad might think his sone was doing for that long), and about 12 hours later dad called the PD to ask if his son had been arrested.

Sounds like stuff every parent of the year does.

everything I read indicated that he had done more ...

[rahrah12]

Originally Posted by Cav

Dad thought son was out doing his thing (what ever dad might think his sone was doing for that long), and about 12 hours later dad called the PD to ask if his son had been arrested.

Sounds like stuff every parent of the year does.

you have better eyes than me...but I agree with perhaps a cut on the back of the head. As far as any bruising I don't see anything and blood...maybe it is covered.

[rahrah12]

Originally Posted by Dragoon44

Before it was released to the public they would have added his personal info not released it as John Doe.

Also you are misreading that report. the "Time Completed" does not refer tot eh time the report was completed. Notice the three categories in a row, "Time Dispatched", "Time arrived" "time Completed". Time completed is the time the officers left the scene. or the time they were finally finished with whatever they had to do with the call.

I think the question is...if that was added what else could be added...

but maybe it is standard procedure.

[DocCasualty]

Originally Posted by rahrah12

I think the question is...if that was added what else could be added...

but maybe it is standard procedure.

[Dragoon44]

Originally Posted by rahrah12

I think the question is...if that was added what else could be added...

but maybe it is standard procedure.

it's standard procedure. Once you have an ID you don't leave John Doe on the report. (If it was ever there to begin with)

[Southswede]

Originally Posted by rahrah12

The police report was submitted at 3:07 AM...that night (or morning).

Why was the body then labeled a John Doe

Maybe because the initial report was submitted. But all other information was completed on what we call Supplemental Reports?

[ICARRY2]

Originally Posted by DocCasualty

Here's the numbers for 2010, the last complete year available from the FBI's UCR. These are for single offender/single victim. These are the gross numbers, not rates adjusted for race.


Just Google FBI and go to "Stats and Services" > "Crime Statistics/UCR" if you want different years, etc.

Thank you!

[Cav]

Originally Posted by DocCasualty

Here's the numbers for 2010, the last complete year available from the FBI's UCR. These are for single offender/single victim. These are the gross numbers, not rates adjusted for race.


Just Google FBI and go to "Stats and Services" > "Crime Statistics/UCR" if you want different years, etc.

Looks like 50% more whites are killed by blacks.

[rahrah12]

Originally Posted by DocCasualty

I have another...

Trayvon is on top of me and I shot him from my back...shouldn't I have blood on me?

[DocCasualty]

Originally Posted by Cav

Looks like 50% more whites are killed by blacks.

I did a quick calc the other day and think it was 8% and 13%. If you calculate this as a rate (per 100,000 of race population), it is a more startling contrast.

[Cav]

Originally Posted by rahrah12

I have another...

Trayvon is on top of me and I shot him from my back...shouldn't I have blood on me?

Do you think Mr Zimmerman had his red sweater/jacket zipped or wide open?

You did see the video right? You know he had on on a red top, that was open in the video, after EMS treated him, and after he was searched.

Oh, and if you ask, yes people get searched a few times by different officer and any officer on here can tell you Mr Zimmerman was searched on scene well.