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Old 03-23-2012, 11:03   #126
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Again, I don't think the christians are any worse than any other religion about these things - certainly better than muslims - but we are in America, which is about the most christian 1st world country there is (except maybe Italy). Chrsitians are going to be the most noticeable and outspoken where they have a majority, same as anybody else would be.

The flipside is, that's why American atheists are always complaining about christians, rather than others.
I don't know if I was clear in my last post. I agree that it is more prevalent in America because Christians are the majority, but if you were to go to Israel, you would not have a Jewish person knocking on your door to hand you a pamphlet about the right way to live your life.
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Old 03-23-2012, 11:13   #127
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My point to all of this, is the chief ire of Atheists is Christianity. No matter what the other major theisms or panintheisms do, but is directed continually at Christianity. I think there is a deeper subtext here.
Do you think that maybe atheists in Islamic countries are more opposed to the Islamic practices that go on there? That atheists in Israel are outspoken about the oppressive Jewish traditions that go on there? That atheists in India are fighting back against the Hindu religion?

How long will you pretend not to get this? As per usual you've made your assertions and no matter how many directions it's refuted from you just stick with the same flawed logic.

So, is it safe to say that your main gripe is that atheists worldwide don't have some kind of communication network set up to ensure that all religions are opposed equally to make it nice and fair?
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Old 03-23-2012, 11:25   #128
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Do you think that maybe atheists in Islamic countries are more opposed to the Islamic practices that go on there? That atheists in Israel are outspoken about the oppressive Jewish traditions that go on there? That atheists in India are fighting back against the Hindu religion?

How long will you pretend not to get this? As per usual you've made your assertions and no matter how many directions it's refuted from you just stick with the same flawed logic.

So, is it safe to say that your main gripe is that atheists worldwide don't have some kind of communication network set up to ensure that all religions are opposed equally to make it nice and fair?
He may be one of those misguided folks who thinks that atheism is a religion, so therefore you have a common set of beliefs.

Isn't Darwin's third commandment "Fight the oppression of christians, else be denied the next evolution."
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Old 03-23-2012, 12:13   #129
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He may be one of those misguided folks who thinks that atheism is a religion, so therefore you have a common set of beliefs.
I think it's this.

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11: God blesses you when people mock you and persecute you and lie about you and say all sorts of evil things against you because you are my followers.
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Christians need to feel persecuted, even if they're not.
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Old 03-23-2012, 12:22   #130
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Christians need to feel persecuted, even if they're not.
Yes, members of the largest religion in the richest, most powerful and freest country in the world and they still find a way to feel persecuted.
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Old 03-23-2012, 12:34   #131
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So, is it safe to say that your main gripe is that atheists worldwide don't have some kind of communication network set up to ensure that all religions are opposed equally to make it nice and fair?
Perhaps Joel Grus' rather irreverant book Your Religion Is False could become the atheist bible (sic). It mixes beliefs, exaggerations and pop culture humor in pointing out why dozens of religions are false:

* Those easily offended by any ribbing of your religion, please read no further (and you probably have no business hanging around RI). *
  • Protestantism -- "If the Bible says it, I believe it. If the Bible doesn't say it, I don't belive it. If the Pope says it, for sure I don't believe it, unless the Bible says it too, in which case I have to ask the pastor on a call-in AM radio show what I think."
  • Catholicsm -- "Catholics believe that they must participate in seven sacraments (so called because they first became popular in Sacramento, California)."
  • Islam -- "If you steal from a Muslim, he is supposed to cut off your hands. If you have no hands (perhaps from previous thefts, or from a lawnmower accident), he is supposed to cut off your nose, and so on. No matter how many things you steal, you still get to keep your ears, and I'll tell you why. So that every shriek of every child..."
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Old 03-23-2012, 12:45   #132
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Christians need to feel persecuted, even if they're not.
true, but that's an advantage for any type of group, from a religion to a football team to an Army. Fostering an "us vs. them" attitude makes the group stronger.
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Old 03-23-2012, 14:36   #133
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I think it's this.

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11: God blesses you when people mock you and persecute you and lie about you and say all sorts of evil things against you because you are my followers.
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22 You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.





Imagine my surprise when I die and find myself standing before St. Peter and he says, "Remember all that arguing you did with that KingArthur fellow that drove you absolutely mad? Well, it paid off because that level of suffering was your ticket in."

Well played KingArthur, well played.

Of course then I'll go and screw it all up by asking God how odds on abiogenesis are calculated by Christians.
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Old 03-24-2012, 18:37   #134
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The level of intellectual dishonesty and need for vicarious redemption through persecution here is disgusting.
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Old 03-24-2012, 18:40   #135
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The level of intellectual dishonesty and need for vicarious redemption through persecution here is disgusting.
Kind of a "high and mighty" approach for a post that failed to make a point, or even identify which side of the debate you support.
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Old 03-24-2012, 21:39   #136
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If you are a Christian, things are pretty cut and dry: If you believe in the Lord Jesus, you are saved. You you don't, there will be hell to pay (literally).

If you reject Jesus in this life, you get to keep your wish in the next.

Simple.

Atheists who could give a hoot about Christians seem to be non-existent. They all seems to be angered by Christians. I think deep inside they want to know Christ, but either because of a wild lifestyle, guilt, or deep rooted issues, they can't. They want us to show them the reason for our faith, but won't accept what we say.

Why?

I think satan has them confused and in the dark. They know that life cannot be explained by science, but refuse to look at a problem even Einstein wasn't bright enough to solve: How to find God, even when He is all around us.

"If you can't show me Jesus using our primitive science, then He must not exist..."

...as if we could even begin to comprehend the maker of all things. We are truly ants walking across a BMW motor, never to understand the complexity of what we walk on.

If you try to look through a microscope with the lens cap on, you will never see a thing. Please my zombie-bloodsucking-atheist-friends...remove the cap that is before your eyes before it is too late.

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Old 03-25-2012, 06:56   #137
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If you are a Christian, things are pretty cut and dry: If you believe in the Lord Jesus, you are saved. You you don't, there will be hell to pay (literally).

If you reject Jesus in this life, you get to keep your wish in the next.

Simple.

Atheists who could give a hoot about Christians seem to be non-existent. They all seems to be angered by Christians. I think deep inside they want to know Christ, but either because of a wild lifestyle, guilt, or deep rooted issues, they can't. They want us to show them the reason for our faith, but won't accept what we say.

Why?

I think satan has them confused and in the dark. They know that life cannot be explained by science, but refuse to look at a problem even Einstein wasn't bright enough to solve: How to find God, even when He is all around us.

"If you can't show me Jesus using our primitive science, then He must not exist..."

...as if we could even begin to comprehend the maker of all things. We are truly ants walking across a BMW motor, never to understand the complexity of what we walk on.

If you try to look through a microscope with the lens cap on, you will never see a thing. Please my zombie-bloodsucking-atheist-friends...remove the cap that is before your eyes before it is too late.
The irony is strong in this one.

Did you read any of the posts in this thread pointing out the atheists on this site are reacting to the religion with which they have the most interaction? When was the last time a Jew, for example, tried to convert you?

Have you never read anything from atheists describing their rather mundane "lifestyle," or asking what it is they're supposed to be feeling guilty about?

Have you EVER ONCE seen or heard any atheist say something like "If you can't show me Jesus using our primitive science, then He must not exist..."?

Why is it your deity, who is claimed to be perfectly loving and who presumably knows EXACTLY what evidence would convince each and every skeptic, refuses to present that evidence until after it's too late?

What prevents your deity, who is supposed to be perfectly just, from forgiving everyone (who deserves it, anyway) without supposedly sacrificing himself to himself or jumping through any faith-based hoops?

Why should honest doubt based on lack of objective, verifiable evidence be punished with eternal torture?

There is a parsimonious answer to the "problem even Einstein wasn't bright enough to solve: How to find God, even when He is all around us."
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Old 03-25-2012, 07:30   #138
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If you are a Christian, things are pretty cut and dry: If you believe in the Lord Jesus, you are saved. You you don't, there will be hell to pay (literally).

If you reject Jesus in this life, you get to keep your wish in the next.

Simple.

Atheists who could give a hoot about Christians seem to be non-existent. They all seems to be angered by Christians. I think deep inside they want to know Christ, but either because of a wild lifestyle, guilt, or deep rooted issues, they can't. They want us to show them the reason for our faith, but won't accept what we say.

Why?

I think satan has them confused and in the dark. They know that life cannot be explained by science, but refuse to look at a problem even Einstein wasn't bright enough to solve: How to find God, even when He is all around us.

"If you can't show me Jesus using our primitive science, then He must not exist..."

...as if we could even begin to comprehend the maker of all things. We are truly ants walking across a BMW motor, never to understand the complexity of what we walk on.

If you try to look through a microscope with the lens cap on, you will never see a thing. Please my zombie-bloodsucking-atheist-friends...remove the cap that is before your eyes before it is too late.
"I like your Christ, but I don't like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."
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Old 03-25-2012, 08:06   #139
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"I like your Christ, but I don't like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."
Then you are looking in the wrong place. You are looking to what men do and not Christ. The Christians cannot save you. Only Christ can do that.
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Then you are looking in the wrong place. You are looking to what men do and not Christ. The Christians cannot save you. Only Christ can do that.
Men wrote the Bible. Men canonized the Bible. Men defined Christianity. Therefore, your statement is an oxymoron.
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Old 03-25-2012, 08:46   #141
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If you are a Christian, things are pretty cut and dry: If you believe in the Lord Jesus, you are saved. You you don't, there will be hell to pay (literally).

If you reject Jesus in this life, you get to keep your wish in the next.

Simple.

Atheists who could give a hoot about Christians seem to be non-existent. They all seems to be angered by Christians. I think deep inside they want to know Christ, but either because of a wild lifestyle, guilt, or deep rooted issues, they can't. They want us to show them the reason for our faith, but won't accept what we say.

Why?

I think satan has them confused and in the dark. They know that life cannot be explained by science, but refuse to look at a problem even Einstein wasn't bright enough to solve: How to find God, even when He is all around us.

"If you can't show me Jesus using our primitive science, then He must not exist..."

...as if we could even begin to comprehend the maker of all things. We are truly ants walking across a BMW motor, never to understand the complexity of what we walk on.

If you try to look through a microscope with the lens cap on, you will never see a thing. Please my zombie-bloodsucking-atheist-friends...remove the cap that is before your eyes before it is too late.
I'd like to know your educational background. How far have you explored into science? I'm guessing you have spent much more time learning religion than you have science (I may be wrong). However, if my assumption is correct, it is not surprising you so strongly hold your beliefs. Myself, and many atheists included, have been raised in a religious family, attended religious school, and then gone on to learn about things outside a religious context. That is how many of us reach our conclusions. I have no problem at all with religious people. As a whole, I think they do good for society. I just choose not to pretend to believe. If I don't I don't. If you do, you do. Good for ya. But to assume that I am angered by a Christian or am confused at all is factually false. That is not an assumption.

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I don't know if I was clear in my last post. I agree that it is more prevalent in America because Christians are the majority, but if you were to go to Israel, you would not have a Jewish person knocking on your door to hand you a pamphlet about the right way to live your life.
No, in Israel they do it through the government.

You think buying gloves on a Sunday is an issue? Try buying anything on a Saturday in Israel. Very few places that are open. Almost no public transportation etc.

The non-religious people are opposing it but the religious parties have a lot of power in Israel.
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There was an option that brausoo might become a taliban and he didn't really like it.

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If you are a Christian, things are pretty cut and dry: If you believe in the Lord Jesus, you are saved. You you don't, there will be hell to pay (literally).

If you reject Jesus in this life, you get to keep your wish in the next.

Simple.

Atheists who could give a hoot about Christians seem to be non-existent. They all seems to be angered by Christians. I think deep inside they want to know Christ, but either because of a wild lifestyle, guilt, or deep rooted issues, they can't. They want us to show them the reason for our faith, but won't accept what we say.

Why?

I think satan has them confused and in the dark. They know that life cannot be explained by science, but refuse to look at a problem even Einstein wasn't bright enough to solve: How to find God, even when He is all around us.

"If you can't show me Jesus using our primitive science, then He must not exist..."

...as if we could even begin to comprehend the maker of all things. We are truly ants walking across a BMW motor, never to understand the complexity of what we walk on.

If you try to look through a microscope with the lens cap on, you will never see a thing. Please my zombie-bloodsucking-atheist-friends...remove the cap that is before your eyes before it is too late.
I accept Jesus, hallelujah!!!

Now, hold on a minute while I take care of that alter boy.
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Premise of the thread is clearly false. Lots of other religions also oppose CHristianity, its not just Atheists. Heck, lots of Christians oppose other Christians as unChristianly.

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Premise of the thread is clearly false. Lots of other religions also oppose CHristianity, its not just Atheists. Heck, lots of Christians oppose other Christians as unChristianly.

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I'm glad you have come to terms with the fact that you have a religion.
Why do you so desperately need atheism to be labeled a religion? It's like you understand that we really have something good going on and you have to knock us down to your level.
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Why do you so desperately need atheism to be labeled a religion? It's like you understand that we really have something good going on and you have to knock us down to your level.
There is nothing in Atheism that is good.
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The truth is bad?


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