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Old 03-22-2012, 14:31   #76
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Forget about Pascal's wager and everything written by man,
including the Torah, Koran and the Bible.

What if there IS a God and you're wrong in your belief?
That IS Pascal's wager - it is better to believe in God, because the consequences of being wrong are much higher if you disbelieve than if you believe.

As I said, that approach assumes the only choices are 1 particular religion, or disbelief. That is the most obvious flaw.

Really, the choice of: What if there IS a God and you're wrong in your belief, but you don't believe?(as an atheist)

Is exactly the same as:
What if there IS a Shiva, Odin or Chukwu, but you believe in the christian God? What if the muslims or the Jews have it right, but you're a Baptist?

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An intelligent man must look at it from ALL angles, and even
consider that he might be wrong.

Now, I ask again.
What if you're wrong?
Is it even necessary to ask again, what if you're wrong? Marduk isn't going to take that very well.
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Old 03-22-2012, 14:36   #77
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Forget about Pascal's wager and everything written by man,
including the Torah, Koran and the Bible.
Okey doke.

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What if there IS a God and you're wrong in your belief?
Then we're wrong. Which deity or deities are we wrong about? All of them? One or more? One which hasn't been identified yet? How do we determine which deity or deities actually exists, and once that's accomplished, how do we reliably determine what its motivations are?

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An intelligent man must look at it from ALL angles, and even consider that he might be wrong.
Sure. Intelligent people also look at stuff like evidence (or lack thereof) and logic (or lack thereof) before reaching conclusions.

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Now, I ask again.
What if you're wrong?
About what, exactly? There's no actual evidence of any deity; there are merely assertions. How many unsupported assertions do you accept as true?
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Old 03-22-2012, 14:36   #78
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You live in a country where your political candidates' religious beliefs and participation are examined under a microscope - where I have laws that say I can't open a liquor store or buy beer on Sunday, and if I'm Jewish or Muslim or others, I'm not allowed to substitute Friday or Saturday for that and open on Sunday. If I go to court, in some counties, I have a big copy of tyhe 10 commandments on the wall behind the judge. That's just the start, we can go on and on about how our lives are regulated by rules of the christian religion, because our carefully examined christian politicians stick them in at every turn.

I am aware that christians try to publicly deny this when the christian-based laws are up for debate, but surely you don't fool yourself into believing that.
It's pretty simple really. If you don't like it GTFO

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Old 03-22-2012, 14:38   #79
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More personal attacks and changing the subject. OK, I'll play.

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Old 03-22-2012, 14:39   #80
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It's pretty simple really. If you don't like it GTFO
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Old 03-22-2012, 14:42   #81
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It's pretty simple really. If you don't like it GTFO
Can't afford it - plus, being that's my opinion above - I like living in a country where I at least have legal recourse against religion, being that it's one of the few with "a wall of separation between church and state." (Thomas Jefferson).

In short, your remark is silly.
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Old 03-22-2012, 14:44   #82
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It's pretty simple really. If you don't like it GTFO
I see. Might makes right. You would make a good Taliban.

It's really not that simple. People get to vote. You don't have the right to demand that people who disagree with you leave. If your team fails to make its case, your team looses.
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Old 03-22-2012, 15:08   #83
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Can't afford it - plus, being that's my opinion above - I like living in a country where I at least have legal recourse against religion, being that it's one of the few with "a wall of separation between church and state." (Thomas Jefferson).

In short, your remark is silly.
In your opinion above, the things you listed have been that way since you were born. You've had plenty of time to find a life elsewhere. Maybe you shouldn't use any currency since it says in God we trust. Oh well, it's a free nation. To each his own
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Old 03-22-2012, 15:10   #84
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I see. Might makes right. You would make a good Taliban.

It's really not that simple. People get to vote. You don't have the right to demand that people who disagree with you leave. If your team fails to make its case, your team looses.
What planet are you from? Go back to 4th grade and relearn comprehension skills
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Old 03-22-2012, 15:12   #85
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What planet are you from? Go back to 4th grade and relearn comprehension skills
What did I miss?
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After reading this thread, now I know why I believe in God.
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What planet are you from?
One that formed 4.5 billion years ago...

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Old 03-22-2012, 15:19   #88
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After reading this thread, now I know why I believe in God.
So you won't be addressing the questions asked of you?
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After reading this thread, now I know why I believe in God.
Why pray tell?
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So you won't be addressing the questions asked of you?
No, it's best I stay out of the religious forum.
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No, it's best I stay out of the religious forum.
Why is best you stay out of here?
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Old 03-22-2012, 16:08   #92
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It's pretty simple really. If you don't like it GTFO
Why bother? Things are changing in this country in favor of people who "don't like it", have been for some time and will continue to thanks to people who didn't like it and decided to do something about it. You call it the moral decline of America.

I call it the religious right loosing it's grasp on the political landscape. One man's moral decline of America is another man's helluva good Saturday night.

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Old 03-22-2012, 16:18   #93
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What if you're wrong?

You believe all religions are ridiculous.
You can't possibly know for sure.

Ever been wrong before?
I believe that dragons aren't real but can't prove they aren't. Is it foolish of me to walk outside without a full suit of armor on, having that armor encumber my every move in life "just in case"?

And even if I did wear the armor, what if I'm wrong and it's actually the acid spitting aliens that are real and I should have carried a plasma rifle instead? Lots of imaginary crap to worry about in this world if one is foolish enough to take that stuff seriously.

You really don't get it that we think your god and all others are one hundred percent made up BS do you? Every argument you can possibly make you can substitute the word pixie or Santa for god and it is just as valid to us.

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Old 03-22-2012, 17:12   #94
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More personal attacks and changing the subject. OK, I'll play.

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I repeated what YOU said.28 days off and You didn't know the law .You waited to buy something you needed for workon the last day.That's on you buddy.Please provide a link that Christians were responsible for your inability to buy gloves.
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Why don't you ask your god for the wisdom to understand the written word and form a cogent counterargument? You're inconsistent rambling and double talk doesn't make your god look good.
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Old 03-22-2012, 17:19   #96
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"...only 1 religion significantly affects and places restrictions on the lives of people who don't follow it or believe in it, in America."



You recall the recent controversial news items about pharmacists unwilling to sell birth control, right? Here's one:

Kay Pharmacy in Grand Rapids, Mich., looks like any other pharmacy. But while the aisles are stocked with adhesive bandages, pain relievers and allergy medicines, some things are not for sale: condoms and other forms of birth control. ...

"I feel they're wrong," he said, basing in his opinions on his Catholic faith. "While something is legal does not necessarily make it right and also does not make it something that I want to participate in." ...


Here's another:
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In Madison, Wis., a pharmacist faces possible disciplinary action by the state pharmacy board for refusing to transfer a woman's prescription for birth-control pills to another druggist or to give the slip back to her. He would not refill it because of his religious views. ...


The restriction against homosexuals marrying also leaps to mind, as does the restriction against alcohol sales on certain days.
Okay, and Hindus won't give you a burger either. I don't see you decrying them.
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Old 03-22-2012, 17:24   #97
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Many years ago I worked in Trinidad. I worked 28 days and was home 28 days. My plane left on Sunday. On the way to the plane I tried to buy a case of work gloves. I was not allowed to buy work gloves on Sunday. I guess it offended the Sun god. As a result I worked 28 days on a drilling rig without gloves. This is just one of many unnecessary inconveniences Christianity has imposed on me just to show me who's boss.
The other gentleman mentioned America. You are telling me about Trinidad and Tobago. Now, if you want to get technical, you can't consume any bovine products in India, and be murdered and serveral middle eastern countries for just being Christian.

I am still not seeing Hinduism and Islam taking any ire.
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Poor planning doesn't change the fact that the gloves couldn't be sold on Sunday because of a christian based law.
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Agreed..............................I don't care for blue laws.His lack of knowledge and planning contributed,that is in essence what I am saying.
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I repeated what YOU said.28 days off and You didn't know the law .You waited to buy something you needed for workon the last day.That's on you buddy.Please provide a link that Christians were responsible for your inability to buy gloves.
The law is stupid and only there because of Christian beliefs I have no idea what counter point you are trying to make.


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More personal attacks and changing the subject. OK, I'll play.

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