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Old 03-15-2012, 22:10   #51
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Funny how so many other countries can charge so much less than America does for medical expenses though.
Lets take your example. Lets take Germany which,outside the USA, is essentially the gold standard for care.

Did you realize that Germany has TWO medical systems? There is the public system and the private system. The public hospitals/doctors you have long waits for appointments. The hospitals: you are in a ward sharing the room with 20 other patients. Air Conditioning? Nope. Think 1950s style bedside manners. In the USA I have only seen wards in the movies. I have been in German hospitals and seen the wards.

Now the private system, very nice hospitals. Just like the new modern ones in the USA. But guess what. If you show up there, even in emergency (unless you are dying..not a broken leg or other "emergency") you are sent away unless you participate in the private system.

The USA gives EVERYONE good care even if you don't pay. Just the people paying actually are paying for those who don't pay.

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Old 03-15-2012, 22:13   #52
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I came from losing my job, wife, everything. No place to stay or go. Have no family in the U.S, to now having a job, a car, roof over my head and a great girlfriend. All in a little over a year.
Job pays for my Health and Dental Insurance too.

But thanks for your concern.
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The USA gives EVERYONE good care even if you don't pay. Just the people paying actually are paying for those who don't pay.

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Agreed, I wish the have nots would just die and stop riding on our coat tails.

If anyone disagrees with me they must be commie reds.
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Lets take your example. Lets take Germany which,outside the USA, is essentially the gold standard for care.

Did you realize that Germany has TWO medical systems? There is the public system and the private system. The public hospitals/doctors you have long waits for appointments. The hospitals: you are in a ward sharing the room with 20 other patients. Air Conditioning? Nope. Think 1950s style bedside manners. In the USA I have only seen wards in the movies. I have been in German hospitals and seen the wards.

Now the private system, very nice hospitals. Just like the new modern ones in the USA. But guess what. If you show up there, even in emergency (unless you are dying..not a broken leg or other "emergency") you are sent away unless you participate in the private system.

The USA gives EVERYONE good care even if you don't pay. Just the people paying actually are paying for those who don't pay.

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South Africa and New Zealand have a similar system.
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With rare exception, if you follow the rabbit hole far enough, a person's place in life is directly attributable to the sum total of his choices.
Where did you get this? Do you have facts to back it up, or is this just the way you FEEL?
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I'm unlicensed and am officially extending an open offer to rip a contact lense from your cornea for $25.
Perfect. Ok folks why are you still complaining? Dr. Certified here ain't price gouging! Why hasn't anyone taken up his offer?
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But you said its better in South Africa. They have great doctors and a great healthcare system and its all free.

Ooops! Whaddya mean the doctors leave?
I never said that. I said they have some of the best doctors in the world. I also said their health care is a lot cheaper than here. I never said anything about free.
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Where did you get this? Do you have facts to back it up, or is this just the way you FEEL?
There's a few people on this forum who believe their opinion truly means more than others. I'm not going to call them out though. It's funny to see them make fools of themselves.
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I made it up. Just like they probably did that bill.

Why should it be any more?

Back in 2009 my ex-wife had to have a procedure done and got put under. You know what they charged for about 80-100ml of anesthesia? $700!! S... more expensive than friggin gold!
Sorry but that is ridiculous!
Do you know why anesthesia is so expensive? Half of what is charged goes to pay malpractice insurance. A person is most likely to die from anesthesia than any other procedure in a hospital.

Did you read the first line of the form you signed? It says the anesthesia might kill you. You sign a "waiver". And guess what happens when a patient dies? Does the family go away and say the patient knew the risk or want to sue?

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Where did you get this? Do you have facts to back it up, or is this just the way you FEEL?
Are you actually going to make your stand that most people are not a fairly accurate representation of the sum total of their choices? Are you going to be that guy?
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I never said that. I said they have some of the best doctors in the world. I also said their health care is a lot cheaper than here. I never said anything about free.
And did you know that when a company wants to perform a clinical trial that the European ethical committees won;t sign off on, they go to South Africa because of the much looser regulations?

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Edited my last post.
Like I said, I hope you turn it around. Sounds like you are.
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But you only make minimum wage, which means you aren't paying much in taxes.

Yet you want all the medical care.

So what you're really saying is that you want someone else to pay for your medical care.
What???

All im saying is, why cant medical care be AFFORDABLE!!!

I have full health and dental insurance thanks to my employee thank you.
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That was smoooooth
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A person is most likely to die from anesthesia than any other procedure in a hospital.
That is not true. There are many procedures with a higher mortality rate than being anesthetized.
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What???

All im saying is, why cant medical care be AFFORDABLE!!!

I have full health and dental insurance thanks to my employee thank you.
I already told you why it is expensive earlier in the thread.
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Are you actually going to make your stand that most people are not a fairly accurate representation of the sum total of their choices? Are you going to be that guy?
I was asking for the facts Mr. Rabbi, a practice you are very familiar with...
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What???

All im saying is, why cant medical care be AFFORDABLE!!!

I have full health and dental insurance thanks to my employee thank you.
The poor deserve to die. That's the consensus, if you disagree you're a socialist commie red pig! Why should it be affordable. It doesn't have to be. Instead of thinking of solutions just come up with the same rhetoric thread after thread. Why should our government get anything done, let's decide who's more right first the Republicans or the Democrats. If you disagree you must be a liberal or a commie!
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What???

All im saying is, why cant medical care be AFFORDABLE!!!

I have full health and dental insurance thanks to my employee thank you.
Why cant a Ferrari be affordable?

What right do you have to the labors of others?
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What???

All im saying is, why cant medical care be AFFORDABLE!!!

I have full health and dental insurance thanks to my employee thank you.
It has to be expensive so they'll be stay at home dad's who are supported by their women and if it wasn't high they'd have to work! D'uh.

Don't question the system! Commie.
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What???

All im saying is, why cant medical care be AFFORDABLE!!!

I have full health and dental insurance thanks to my employee thank you.
Why don't you come over to my house and do some work in my yard for what ever I think your services are worth?

Or better, yet, why don't you go write a half billion dollar check to research, do the clinical trial, bring up an FDA approved manufacturing facility, and then go give the drugs away for what ever you deem AFFORDABLE to be?

Or hell, maybe you can help me out. I need some implant cases machined. I was quoted $800 for each implant (just bare titanium housing that does nothing). Why don't you make thme for me and I will give your $25 each?

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How am I doing? I think you've really had a positive influence on me.
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The poor deserve to die. That's the consensus, if you disagree you're a socialist commie red pig! Why should it be affordable. It doesn't have to be. Instead of thinking of solutions just come up with the same rhetoric thread after thread. Why should our government get anything done, let's decide who's more right first the Republicans or the Democrats. If you disagree you must be a liberal or a commie!
Well, lets think about it instead of getting angry.

Why is healthcare different from any other good or service?

If someone can't afford healthcare, why should someone else be forced to pay for it?
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It is a rewarding undertaking.

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Why cant a Ferrari be affordable?

What right do you have to the labors of others?
You do have a point there. They should be affordable because I want one and $300k is out of my price range for a car. They should be forced to sell me one for like, $14k because Kia can make a car for $14k.

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