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Old 03-04-2012, 06:49   #1
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if a policeman asks you if your a CCW holder?

i saw an interview with a Local police chief here in WI(i think it was Appleton,WI)....anyways he said when his officers make a traffic stop the first question they ask is 'are you a CCW holder and are you armed'

if the reason i am talking with the police has nothing to do with my CCW (IE---speeding) i dont think they have any rights to ask me that question....and i dont have to answer either

how do you handle it? and would you feel compelled to answer such a question?

a policeman is just a person...a person who may be anti-gun.....a person who may play games with you over the issue....i feel its none of his business if it doesnt pertain to whatever the reason he's talking to me for.
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Old 03-04-2012, 06:55   #2
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Well, they sometimes ask that question regardless. I don't see any problem with a LEO asking if you're armed, and I have no problem responding honestly. They're trying to do their job and go home at the end of the shift. Most of them will probably be friendly enough, though my only traffic stop since I got my ccdw license was not good. It was very surprising, considering I was in KY when it happened.

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Old 03-04-2012, 06:58   #3
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You gotta remember, CCW is still fairly new to Wisconsin, and a lot of cops may not have much experience in dealing with carriers. Just be straight with them.
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Old 03-04-2012, 07:31   #4
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It depends on whether you confuse being a permit holder with being a police officer. It depends on how you want your day to go. Why would someone lie to the police like a criminal if they weren't one?
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Old 03-04-2012, 07:38   #5
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Let me see if I understand.

If asked the question(s) by a cop, you would refuse to answer because you don't feel that he/she has the right to ask you? That's sure to make for an interesting traffic stop.

In Nevada, your CCW is tied to your license plate (if the car is registered in your name). So, in the vast majority of cases the cop already knows, and the question is often not asked.

That said, I've been stopped twice in the past twenty years, and in each case I've informed the cop immediately that I was armed. In both cases, the "stop" went well, and I was soon on my way.

I think if you refuse to answer the question(s) stated above, you're going to have a long day, and I certainly don't blame the cop.

Just my $0.02.
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Old 03-04-2012, 07:44   #6
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Let me see if I understand.

If asked the question(s) by a cop, you would refuse to answer because you don't feel that he/she has the right to ask you? That's sure to make for an interesting traffic stop.

In Nevada, your CCW is tied to your license plate (if the car is registered in your name). So, in the vast majority of cases the cop already knows, and the question is often not asked.

That said, I've been stopped twice in the past twenty years, and in each case I've informed the cop immediately that I was armed. In both cases, the "stop" went well, and I was soon on my way.

I think if you refuse to answer the question(s) stated above, you're going to have a long day, and I certainly don't blame the cop.

Just my $0.02.
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Really, I have no need to make their job more difficult for no good reason. Plus, the police DO have the authority to ascertain if someone is armed during a traffic stop.
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Let me see if I understand.

If asked the question(s) by a cop, you would refuse to answer because you don't feel that he/she has the right to ask you? That's sure to make for an interesting traffic stop.

In Nevada, your CCW is tied to your license plate (if the car is registered in your name). So, in the vast majority of cases the cop already knows, and the question is often not asked.

That said, I've been stopped twice in the past twenty years, and in each case I've informed the cop immediately that I was armed. In both cases, the "stop" went well, and I was soon on my way.

I think if you refuse to answer the question(s) stated above, you're going to have a long day, and I certainly don't blame the cop.

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Old 03-04-2012, 07:53   #8
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In Texas, if a police officer asks you, you answer honestly. Yes or no. Not hard at all.

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Old 03-04-2012, 08:02   #9
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..how do you handle it? and would you feel compelled to answer such a question?

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This sounds like a question that would be much better answered by your attorney so he could explain whether you have to answer that sort of question and what if anything might happen if you do not or if you lie.

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It depends on whether you confuse being a permit holder with being a police officer. It depends on how you want your day to go. Why would someone lie to the police like a criminal if they weren't one?
I am led to believe that in some places a lie to the police makes one a criminal.
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:13   #10
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If they ask me anything I answer. I have nothing to hide and I'm not breaking any laws.
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:19   #11
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If they ask me anything I answer. I have nothing to hide and I'm not breaking any laws.
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:25   #12
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:44   #13
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I am led to believe that in some places a lie to the police makes one a criminal.
Yes, didn't you know lying to the police is a crime but if they lie to you it is not a crime.

Best answer if they ask if you have any weapons or anything else in the car they should know about is a simple yes or no.
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:51   #14
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i saw an interview with a Local police chief here in WI(i think it was Appleton,WI)....anyways he said when his officers make a traffic stop the first question they ask is 'are you a CCW holder and are you armed'

if the reason i am talking with the police has nothing to do with my CCW (IE---speeding) i dont think they have any rights to ask me that question....and i dont have to answer either

how do you handle it? and would you feel compelled to answer such a question?

a policeman is just a person...a person who may be anti-gun.....a person who may play games with you over the issue....i feel its none of his business if it doesnt pertain to whatever the reason he's talking to me for.
WI law says you do not have to initiate informing a law enforcement officer of your CCL.

What does Wisconsin law say about failure to acknowledge possession of a firearm when asked by law enforcement?
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:58   #15
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Before owning a gun, which was back in October, I would have had no idea what CCW meant. I probably would have just stated at him dumbfounded and then asked what that meant. Now I would just say no.

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Go ahead and say you dont have to answer that. Enjoy spending the entire traffic stop standing outside of your car and told not to move. Hostility is met by the same. Oh and a police officer can ask anything they please. Remember the first amendment that you all complain the police are trying to take away? they still have it as well. enjoy your tickets. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Youll be the first one to complain too when a cop asks that question you chose not to answer and he sees your firearm and draws his on you. Again you play stupid gamea you win stupid prizes.

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Old 03-04-2012, 09:18   #17
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I would assume that most places have criminalized lying to the police in one way or another. At a minimum it will really piss them off if they end up finding out you lied. If asked a direct question, answer it honestly, respectfully, and calmly. If they do anything wrong after that, there is always the dash cam and the legal system.

As for volunteering the info, that would depend on where you live and the local LE attitude toward CCW. In east-central FL I have been stopped twice (once county, once local) since I started carrying 5 years ago. I informed both. One just said, "Okay" and I got a warning for doing some really obnoxious stuff (well, when he asked if I knew why he stopped me, I said, "Because I was driving like an ass, sir" and proceeded to tell him what I did wrong exactly. He smirked when I said that, so honesty may have been the reason for the warning). The local guy asked me what I was carrying and we talked for a minute about it. Some places, the cops LIKE non-LE who are legally armed.
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Before owning a gun, which was back in October, I would have had no idea what CCW meant. I probably would have just stated at him dumbfounded and then asked what that meant. Now I would just say no.

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Go ahead and say you dont have to answer that. Enjoy spending the entire traffic stop standing outside of your car and told not to move. Hostility is met by the same. Oh and a police officer can ask anything they please. Remember the first amendment that you all complain the police are trying to take away? they still have it as well. enjoy your tickets. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Youll be the first one to complain too when a cop asks that question you chose not to answer and he sees your firearm and draws his on you. Again you play stupid gamea you win stupid prizes.

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I am surprised you are taking the 1st Amendment route here.

If the 1A is what allows an officer to ask you anything would the 1A also allow you to answer with anything you want?
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Two ambiguities and one pitfall make threads about answering LEO questions pointless and frustrating.

The first ambiguity is whether the topic is about what is legal or what is wise.

Is it legal? Yes. In Florida, with a couple of minor exceptions, it is perfectly legal to refuse to answer questions without your lawyer being present. You cannot and will not be prosecuted for refusing to answer questions without a lawyer.

Is it wise? You must decide this for yourself. If you refuse to answer a LEO's question, in most Florida jurisdictions, you will be handcuffed and detained. In many, you will be charged with obstruction. In some, you will first be beaten. And in a handful of well-documented worst-case scenarios, the non-cooperating citizen was simply murdered by the side of the road. Your call.

The second ambiguity is whether you should lie or simply refuse to answer. Lying is illegal and you can be prosecuted. Refusal to answer is legal, but might have unpleasant consequences.

The pitfall is that cop bashers deliberately distort the issue to suggest that outright deception is the wisest choice. And cop apologists deliberately distort it to suggest that non-cooperation will always get you locked up.
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Old 03-04-2012, 10:26   #21
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A licensee or out-of-state licensee who is carrying a concealed weapon must display the license and photo identification to a law enforcement officer upon the request of the law enforcement officer while the law enforcement officer is acting in an official capacity and with lawful authority. Wis. Stat. ァ 175.60(2g)(c)

Lying to a LEO is, at a minimum, a Class A misdemeanor. Wis. Stat. ァ 946.41(1)

Class A misdemeanor fines can go up to $10,000 and/or one year in the county jail.

Failure to display the license to a law enforcement officer is a $25 forfeiture. Wis. Stat. ァ 175.60(17)(a)

In Wisconsin, if you get pulled over for speeding - are you required to inform the LEO you are CCW'ing? Not unless the LEO asks you.

Should you voluntarily inform the LEO you are CCW'ing? If you are on the fence as to whether you should or should not - use the search feature. You will get plenty of reasons as to why you should or why you should not voluntarily inform.
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I don't believe GA has any duty to inform, nor on the once I've been stopped since having my permit was I asked (didn't have it anyway).

However, my perspective, if I was, is this - I would rather politely inform the officer that for both our benefits I would like him to know that I have a permit and am carrying and a verbal description of where before I remove my hands from the steering wheel.

I know they have a stressful job at times, and I'd rather be honest about it and forward, and I feel it puts them at ease (hopefully). I'd rather do it that way then reach for my wallet and have him see it and wonder what I'm really reaching for.
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I don't believe GA has any duty to inform, nor on the once I've been stopped since having my permit was I asked (didn't have it anyway).

However, my perspective, if I was, is this - I would rather politely inform the officer that for both our benefits I would like him to know that I have a permit and am carrying and a verbal description of where before I remove my hands from the steering wheel.

I know they have a stressful job at times, and I'd rather be honest about it and forward, and I feel it puts them at ease (hopefully). I'd rather do it that way then reach for my wallet and have him see it and wonder what I'm really reaching for.
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Old 03-04-2012, 12:02   #24
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If a policeman asks me if I'm armed I will answer truthfully.

The only exception to that would be in a Katrina style confiscation scenario.

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i saw an interview with a Local police chief here in WI(i think it was Appleton,WI)....anyways he said when his officers make a traffic stop the first question they ask is 'are you a CCW holder and are you armed'

if the reason i am talking with the police has nothing to do with my CCW (IE---speeding) i dont think they have any rights to ask me that question....and i dont have to answer either

how do you handle it? and would you feel compelled to answer such a question?

a policeman is just a person...a person who may be anti-gun.....a person who may play games with you over the issue....i feel its none of his business if it doesnt pertain to whatever the reason he's talking to me for.
Anyone can pretty much ask anyone else anything, whether one answers or not is the question. In some states you are required to inform, in others you are required to answer truthfully when asked and in others you just don稚 have to tell at all (even if asked). I happen to be in a state where we are not required to inform, I keep going back and forth on whether I would volunteer the information if ever stopped. Nonetheless, if asked, I would answer truthfully to that question.

Personally, I知 not much for self-induced complications and believe not answering the question would yield just that. It is not worth my time or theirs. Is it possible that I may encounter a LEO that is not pro-citizen carry? Sure, it is. If that is the case I値l play the cards I知 dealt at the time with full knowledge that I知 carrying legally. If necessary, I値l have the officer call a supervisor for further enlightenment; somehow I believe that won稚 be necessary though.

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