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Old 03-02-2012, 10:37   #51
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Schabesbert, this word game argument is beneath you.
Trying to have a discussion without properly defined terms is meaningless.

In any course or conference on philosophy, you learn that term definitions are all-important.

Trying to have a discussion involving a term using two different definitions leads to chaos. It's like trying to discuss things with Humpty Dumpty in Through The Looking Glass.
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Trying to have a discussion involving a term using two different definitions leads to chaos. It's like trying to discuss things with Humpty Dumpty in Through The Looking Glass.
That's just a bunch of jabberwocky...
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Certain things just weren't created for us to eat. When you eat shrimp you are eating whatever they just ate. Literally. If you like decaying, bacteria ridden, refuse from the floor of the ocean, then go for it.

Likewise, pig has up to 19 different parasites, many of which cannot be killed by cooking, even when charred to a black cinder. It is recently believed to be a contributing factor to Alzheimers and arthritis. They have veins running to their hoofs who's only purpose is to drain the toxins from their bodies. If these clog the pig will break out in green boils and die. Eat 'em up.

He gave us an instruction book. He won't make you use it.
Um, you pull the vein (actually the gut) out in one nice motion. Gutting a deer is rocket science compared to that.

And pig is just fine if you cook it right. I've been eating it all my life and suffered no ill effects. I'm not the only one.

Face it, the men who wrote the bible saw people get sick when they ate certain animals that took some additional preparation to be safe and declared them off limits. They may have had the best of intentions but their ignorance is still apparent.

God would have had the sense to say, "Take the vein out of the shrimp and cook the pigs to 165 degrees... and here's how to make a thermometer while I'm thinking about it..." but instead there's plenty of talk about making sure god's ass has been sufficiently kissed.


As it turns out the bible doesn't contain any useful scientific information. It's pretty much the opposite of that.

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God would have had the sense to say, "Take the vein out of the shrimp and cook the pigs to 165 degrees... and here's how to make a thermometer while I'm thinking about it..."
I can't even imagine the countless number of lives that could have been spared over many centuries had the Bible contained an admonishment to keep your poop away from your food and water supply.

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Um, you pull the vein (actually the gut) out in one nice motion. Gutting a deer is rocket science compared to that.

And pig is just fine if you cook it right. I've been eating it all my life and suffered no ill effects. I'm not the only one.

Face it, the men who wrote the bible saw people get sick when they ate certain animals that took some additional preparation to be safe and declared them off limits. They may have had the best of intentions but their ignorance is still apparent.

God would have had the sense to say, "Take the vein out of the shrimp and cook the pigs to 165 degrees... and here's how to make a thermometer while I'm thinking about it..." but instead there's plenty of talk about making sure god's ass has been sufficiently kissed.


As it turns out the bible doesn't contain any useful scientific information. It's pretty much the opposite of that.
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Old 03-02-2012, 18:27   #56
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From this interpretation of scripture, I can see a better picture of why you turned from God. I think that it is probable that the lies of men about God has turned you stomach. I fully understand why, if that is the case. I would assert that remain turned away from man and his lies, and turn back to God. Peace to you.
There is a reason God told us not to eat those things. They are scavangers and are the one's that clean the trash of nature by using their own bodies. When you eat them, it opens yourself up to disease and parasites. He made those rules for our best interest.
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As it turns out the bible doesn't contain any useful scientific information. It's pretty much the opposite of that.
Oh Really? I won't even respond to such a close minded, ignorant statement.
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There is a reason God told us not to eat those things. They are scavangers and are the one's that clean the trash of nature by using their own bodies. When you eat them, it opens yourself up to disease and parasites. He made those rules for our best interest.
Is that why he didn't put scales on catfish?
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Is that why he didn't put scales on catfish?
Catfish are the bottom feeders of any water way. Their express purpose in life is eating the dung and decayed bodies that litter the bottom. Now, considering that, God was only looking out for us by instructing us not to eat them.
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As it turns out the bible doesn't contain any useful scientific information. It's pretty much the opposite of that.
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Oh Really? I won't even respond to such a close minded, ignorant statement.
You responded by saying you won't respond. Epic.
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Catfish are the bottom feeders of any water way. Their express purpose in life is eating the dung and decayed bodies that litter the bottom. Now, considering that, God was only looking out for us by instructing us not to eat them.
So you actually are saying that god didn't put scales on catfish so people that followed the bible wouldn't eat them???

Do you abstain from catfish? Pork? Shellfish? Mixed fibers in your clothing?
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Oh Really? I won't even respond to such a close minded, ignorant statement.
Well that's for the best. It'll save you the embarrassment of not being able to come up with any examples.
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This thread has taken a sudden turn toward the entertaining.



While we're at it, wouldn't it had been great if he (god) had suggested keeping the rats under control (Bubonic Plague)? Sure would have been more helpful than a PSA about the dangers of a ham sammich.
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I can't even imagine the countless number of lives that could have been spared over many centuries had the Bible contained an admonishment to keep your poop away from your food and water supply.

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The Bible does that and much more.

Quarantine, cleanliness etc.

Deuteronomy 23:13 And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee:

Leviticus 11:30 And the ferret, and the chameleon, and the lizard, and the snail, and the mole.
11:31 These are unclean to you among all that creep: whosoever doth touch them, when they be dead, shall be unclean until the even.
11:32 And upon whatsoever any of them, when they are dead, doth fall, it shall be unclean; whether it be any vessel of wood, or raiment, or skin, or sack, whatsoever vessel it be, wherein any work is done, it must be put into water, and it shall be unclean until the even; so it shall be cleansed.
11:33 And every earthen vessel, whereinto any of them falleth, whatsoever is in it shall be unclean; and ye shall break it.
11:34 Of all meat which may be eaten, that on which such water cometh shall be unclean: and all drink that may be drunk in every such vessel shall be unclean.
11:35 And every thing whereupon any part of their carcase falleth shall be unclean; whether it be oven, or ranges for pots, they shall be broken down: for they are unclean, and shall be unclean unto you.
11:36 Nevertheless a fountain or pit, wherein there is plenty of water, shall be clean: but that which toucheth their carcase shall be unclean.
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The Bible does that and much more.
Except those rules don't really do much of anything to protect anyone. Mostly the wrong animals and waiting until the evening doesn't disinfect germs anyway. And why break a dish because a lizard crawled across it? It's almost as if they had observed some effects of desease, but weren't quite sure how it really worked. hmm...
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Except those rules don't really do much of anything to protect anyone. Mostly the wrong animals and waiting until the evening doesn't disinfect germs anyway. And why break a dish because a lizard crawled across it? It's almost as if they had observed some effects of desease, but weren't quite sure how it really worked. hmm...
Earthen vessels are porous. This would let the bacteria soak in. Other vessels made of stone were not subject to the same rules but must be washed.

time does lessen the effects of contamination. A wooden cutting board actually kills bacteria over time. Drying and exposure to light kill bacteria and virus.
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There is a reason God told us not to eat those things. They are scavangers and are the one's that clean the trash of nature by using their own bodies. When you eat them, it opens yourself up to disease and parasites. He made those rules for our best interest.
There are certainly a lot of better pieces of health advice that an omniscient God could have given. Insisting on a plant-based diet would have been a pretty good start -- roughly 500,000 Americans are not having heart bypass surgery a year because they're eating shrimp. But we know that the aroma of a good barbecue is too pleasing to the Lord for that.

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Care to give an example?
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http://www.whyibelieve.org/Apologeti...radictions.htm
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This thread has taken a sudden turn toward the entertaining.

I agree. I didn't think my post about shrimp would get this type of response.

I see that Schabesbert is still trying to play his politician gotcha word games, and won't answer a question until he can word it so that he can claim victory.

I agree with Gunhaver earlier post though. The man made book(the bible) put the food stuff in there because at the time, eating certain things were really dangerous, and could actually kill you. We have improved greatly over the years thanks to science, so they are no harm(or minimal) anymore. It is silly to think those 'rules' still apply to us today.


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Um, you pull the vein (actually the gut) out in one nice motion. Gutting a deer is rocket science compared to that.

And pig is just fine if you cook it right. I've been eating it all my life and suffered no ill effects. I'm not the only one.

Face it, the men who wrote the bible saw people get sick when they ate certain animals that took some additional preparation to be safe and declared them off limits. They may have had the best of intentions but their ignorance is still apparent.

God would have had the sense to say, "Take the vein out of the shrimp and cook the pigs to 165 degrees... and here's how to make a thermometer while I'm thinking about it..." but instead there's plenty of talk about making sure god's ass has been sufficiently kissed.
Who cares what you pull out. The toxins are still in the meat. You act like I'm making this up. Go read a medical journal about pork. It's horrible for the human body.

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Who cares what you pull out. The toxins are still in the meat. You act like I'm making this up. Go read a medical journal about pork. It's horrible for the human body.
Could you share one of these medical journal articles with us?
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There are certainly a lot of better pieces of health advice that an omniscient God could have given. Insisting on a plant-based diet would have been a pretty good start -- roughly 500,000 Americans are not having heart bypass surgery a year because they're eating shrimp. But we know that the aroma of a good barbecue is too pleasing to the Lord for that.

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That was the original diet of humans and animals before the fall of man as documented in Genesis.

Genesis 1:29-30, "29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so."

It will be the original diet, yet again after the restoration:

Isaiah 65:25, "25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox,
and dust will be the serpent’s food.
They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,”
says the LORD. "


Isaiah 11:6-9, "6 The wolf will live with the lamb,
the leopard will lie down with the goat,
the calf and the lion and the yearling[a] together;
and a little child will lead them.
7 The cow will feed with the bear,
their young will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
8 The infant will play near the cobra’s den,
and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.
9 They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,
for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the LORD
as the waters cover the sea."


Revelation 22:1-2, " 1 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations."

Additionally, there is no prohibition for having a plant based diet now.
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Sorry, I don't keep those on hand. Try Google.
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Sorry, I don't keep those on hand. Try Google.
Maybe you should grab this topic by the tail and really get a good bite on it.



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http://www.onlinetruth.org/Articles%...zardous_to.htm
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