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Old 02-28-2012, 13:19   #76
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Yea. Our past however many Presidents of the country were lazy sloths who lived in poverty.
Ah, but they may have also been amoung the greatest we ever saw as well, if only they hadn't toked up.



But now, we'll never know.
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Old 02-28-2012, 13:20   #77
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The problem with marijuana is that it kills ambition. Too much weed and people become lazy, they can't focus, and they become content to live in poverty and sloth.
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Now you want to tell people that they must have ambition?

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Old 02-28-2012, 13:21   #78
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Again as a Judge once said,"The war on drugs has already been won, and we didn't win it."
Yep, put those bad pot smokers in jail. (where they can really learn to be bad). That is just brilliant!
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Old 02-28-2012, 13:24   #79
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If we are going to start ignoring unconstitutional laws that's a great place to start

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Old 02-28-2012, 13:33   #80
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It is already present. Its called Federal Excise Tax and is about 10-11% on firearms and ammo.


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I responded to quickly didn't ask it right, I meant to ask if he is ok with paying the extra tax on ammo.
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Old 02-28-2012, 13:34   #81
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Old 02-28-2012, 13:37   #82
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Do me a favor and add a period to the end of it
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Old 02-28-2012, 14:18   #83
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The problem with marijuana is that it kills ambition. Too much weed and people become lazy, they can't focus, and they become content to live in poverty and sloth.
I have not taken a puff in 7 years but back in the day,I had a mundane,boring ass , factory job,weed made me an over achiever,we set all time production records that month.Stupid is as stupid does-Lazy is as lazy does,it ain't the weed.
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Old 02-28-2012, 14:39   #84
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Which is one of the many reasons I support legalization.

The fewer people with ambition, the easier the competition in life. The more people playing video games and eating Doritos, the more valuable the ones who aren't become.

Legalize it!
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Old 02-28-2012, 14:48   #85
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Old 02-28-2012, 14:50   #86
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*Real life*

Interesting claim. For every "real life" claim I hear on the prohibitionist's side, I also hear "real life" claim from the legalize it crowd.

You run a strong/concrete argument sir!


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Old 02-28-2012, 14:53   #87
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Which is one of the many reasons I support legalization.

The fewer people with ambition, the easier the competition in life. The more people playing video games and eating Doritos, the more valuable the ones who aren't become.

Legalize it!

That's assuming that legalization is going to increase the number of users or that prohibition is preventing.. anything at all. History really doesn't support the theory.
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Old 02-28-2012, 14:58   #88
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NO NEW TAXES But I wonder how important that would be because the stuff grows like, well a weed.
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Old 02-28-2012, 15:03   #89
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Old 02-28-2012, 15:04   #90
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Interesting claim. For every "real life" claim I hear on the prohibitionist's side, I also hear "real life" claim from the legalize it crowd.

You run a strong/concrete argument sir!


First off, so you are not confused - check out what the quoted statement was about. It has nothing to do with a statement of legalize or prohibition.
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Old 02-28-2012, 15:31   #91
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I'm all for legalization. However, "taxing the hell out of it" does not make sense to me. If our government is broke, let them get their spending habits in order--don't just throw more money at them.
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Old 02-28-2012, 16:15   #92
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An objective point of view concerning cannabis legalization could be arrived at by evaluating the history of effectiveness and efficiency in maintaining it as criminal.

Exercising control of it, at least to the extent alcohol and tobacco products are controlled, is a gov't given.
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Old 02-28-2012, 18:51   #93
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Legalize it and tax it the way you tax any other product sold on the open market. You have to pay for infrastructure and vital services some way. Why not tax it?
The government has more than enough money already.

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That said, I really won't mind if it gets jacked up with an additional "sin tax". Other than sales tax, taxing vices tends to be about the only way to get any revenue out of the 1/2 of the country that doesn't pay any income taxes. If it weren't for taxes on beer, cigarettes and the lottery, they'd never contribute anything.
Oh good Lord......I bet you consider yourself a conservative too
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Old 02-28-2012, 18:52   #94
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It doesn't matter what Colorado does because it is still against federal law.
Unconstitutional, illegitimate, immoral federal law
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"Legalize it and tax it" is a political strategy of the small minded and big government. Period.
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The problem with marijuana is that it kills ambition. Too much weed and people become lazy, they can't focus, and they become content to live in poverty and sloth.
I can introduce you to half a dozen mj users who have run circles around you in every tangible measure of achievement.
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Old 02-28-2012, 18:59   #97
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It doesn't matter what Colorado does because it is still against federal law.

Maybe they can take the restrictions off of machine guns and silencers while they're at it.
As long as it doesn't cross state lines, they might be able to frame it that way. Several states are trying to pick just such a fight with gun laws.

The old Supreme Court decision about how the guy feeding corn to his own hogs was engaging in interstate commerce by not engaging in interstate commerce, thereby affecting the market, was horrible jurisprudence that should be overturned.
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Old 02-28-2012, 19:13   #98
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It's a goddam plant. How about just forget about it. No need to regulate or tax anything. Get the hell out of peoples lives and get one of your own. BTW, many many high level professionals and executives smoke marijuana. It's a multi billion dollar industry.
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As long as it doesn't cross state lines, they might be able to frame it that way. Several states are trying to pick just such a fight with gun laws.

The old Supreme Court decision about how the guy feeding corn to his own hogs was engaging in interstate commerce by not engaging in interstate commerce, thereby affecting the market, was horrible jurisprudence that should be overturned.
And that really is the point of the whole marijuana situation, though it is missed or willingly overlooked by so many "conservatives".

Once the people tolerate unconstitutional laws, like marijuana laws, predicated on the commerce clause, the government will extend them elsewhere.....like gun laws and healthcare.
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Which is one of the many reasons I support legalization.

The fewer people with ambition, the easier the competition in life. The more people playing video games and eating Doritos, the more valuable the ones who aren't become.

Legalize it!
There is truth to this plus there is another factor most don't consider. It's not a coincidence that people who have crappy jobs smoke weed. Easy jobs are boring, smoking weed makes them tolerable. On the surface that sounds like somewhat of a bad thing. But think about it we have a service economy we need these type of people. Somebody has to serve the fries, coffee, cook the food, wash the dishes, sweep the floor. If everybody was a straight arrow super high achiever we'd be a society of suits, with nowhere to eat lunch.
As long as American's insist on their current lifestyle of convenience these jobs are not going anywhere. Someone is ending up working behind the counter. I'd rather they are content with their job, rather than resenting it and taking it out on the customers.

If the person doing the dirty work is stoned and happy why the hell would I care? They're content, I benefit from their needed services and it's one less person interviewing for a position I want.

It's the pursuit of happiness not the pursuit of money.

One does not need a high paying job to be happy, if people can find happiness working a simple job I don't begrudge them at all. It is not my place to tell others how they should live their lives.

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