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Old 02-22-2012, 19:29   #1
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.40 S&W Gold Dot 165gr Fail To Expand

Is this a common problem for 165gr Gold Dot only? I have not yet hear anything like that in the 180gr or 155gr Gold Dots.
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Old 02-22-2012, 19:32   #2
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Need more facts...lots of variables...what was it shot into?
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Old 02-22-2012, 19:36   #3
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Jugs of water.
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Old 02-22-2012, 19:53   #4
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So you found an unexpanded bullet in a water jug?
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Old 02-22-2012, 20:15   #5
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Actually, my friend did. He found 2 after 5 shots.
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Old 02-22-2012, 20:17   #6
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It's almost unheard of for a JHP to not expand at all when shot into water only. The 165gr Gold Dot seems to favor penetration over expansion. Maybe too much so. Usually going lighter than "heaviest for caliber" gives you a bigger cavity at the expense of penetration but in this case that is not so.

http://le.atk.com/pdf/GoldDotPoster.pdf


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Old 02-22-2012, 20:31   #7
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I've seen that video too. But mine serial# is 53970, it's a more powerful one compare to the one in the video which serial# is 53949.

Does anyone experience something similar with 53970 or 23970 Gold Dots?
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Old 02-22-2012, 20:44   #8
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I didn't realize the 165gr Gold Dot was available in two velocities. Interesting. 100 fps is a big difference. 20% more muzzle energy.

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Old 02-22-2012, 22:03   #9
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At various LE demo shoots over the years I have seen pretty much every brand of every caliber and every bullet weight not expand at one time or the other.

Its not really worth worrying about. No mfg guarantees 100% perfection.
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Old 02-22-2012, 22:07   #10
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At various LE demo shoots over the years I have seen pretty much every brand of every caliber and every bullet weight not expand at one time or the other.

Its not really worth worrying about. No mfg guarantees 100% perfection.
Oh no, not common sense and experience?
We just can't have that - LOL!
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Old 02-22-2012, 22:11   #11
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Actually, my friend did. He found 2 after 5 shots.
So he fired 5 shots into the same jugs?

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53970 or 23970
53970 - 50rd box
23970 - 20rd box

Notice the difference in first number only.

The 53949 may be an FBI load or some other load requested by a LEA.(or vice versa) Most of the official tests I've seen on that round were out of a G22 or "full size" gun.

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Old 02-22-2012, 22:31   #12
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So he fired 5 shots into the same jugs?
No, different jugs on one day.
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:57   #13
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What hotpig said.............I have seen not everything, but some good and some suprizes at the range.
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:51   #14
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The 165 Gold Dot's are my carry load. Every time I've tested them in the same fashion, I've never had one fail to expand.

As another poster said, no bullet will ever be 100% reliable. There has been enough scientific testing of this load as well as real world feed back on it that was positive. I have no issue with carrying this load and in my opinion, it's one of the best modern loads for the .40 S&W.

The older 165 Gold Dot load that were what Mas used to refer to as the, "-P" loads weren't known for their performance. The newer stuff that develops around 1,150 fps from a 4" barrel is good stuff and is what I have my 229 Sig loaded with always!
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At various LE demo shoots over the years I have seen pretty much every brand of every caliber and every bullet weight not expand at one time or the other.

Its not really worth worrying about. No mfg guarantees 100% perfection.
But a certain firearm manufacturer strongly implies, "Perfection."
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:48   #16
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But a certain firearm manufacturer strongly implies, "Perfection."

Yeah, well they lie like a rug.


Folks, there is a reason the .40S&W is known as "the short & weak".


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Actually, my friend did. He found 2 after 5 shots.
You realize that it would take 10 jugs or more to stop an unexpanted bullet and that keeping it going straight through ten jugs is just about impossible?
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Old 02-23-2012, 19:28   #18
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You realize that it would take 10 jugs or more to stop an unexpanted bullet and that keeping it going straight through ten jugs is just about impossible?
Have to agree T, something isn't right. It takes 3-5 1gal water filled jugs to stop most expanding pistol bullets & solids barely slow down thru all 5. Anyway, anything can happen when it comes to expanding bullets. One reason I still love the 45acp, it never gets any smaller.
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Perhaps it was poor quality water...
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