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Old 01-27-2012, 23:11   #1
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WHY .45 GAP- 30+ yrs. of LE experience

This is just my short history with pistols- Duty and Off duty. I have added what I owned also. I may not be a expert, but I am giving you my history with firearms and experience. I usually shoot 289+/300 in quals.

For all the gap naysayers, WHATEVER!

I also was originally skeptical about the .45GAP, after all, I was a tried and true .40 and .45 ACP fan. I have been in LE for 30 years (still am). I started carrying issue Glocks in 1987 (G17). My Dept. issued 9mm's, then .40's. We finally settled on .45 ACP's in 2007. Another officer one day said, hey try this .45 GAP out. I thought he was nuts. after all, the .45 GAP was an answer to a question never asked, etc. Well I hesitantly shot that G38. After shooting it, I realized I was wrong and all the Internet super shooters out there were wrong too. That pistol shot sooooo nice. very accurate, easily controlled. I then tried the G39 and was sold. I own all three .45 GAP's now. I did research for my PD, I checked with all the State Police agencies that issued them, including PSP. Checked their testing and evaluations. They all loved the .45 GAP and praised them. My local troopers really like them too. Recently, Some officers on My dept., who were totally against the .45GAP have decided, after shooting the G38 and G37, they like them. We placed a order for G37's and G38's to replace our G30SF's and 21SF's. The Dept. is half .45 ACP and half .45 GAP.

I never imagined that I would ever say or report this, but its true! You owe it to yourself to try the .45GAP before you trash it. It really is worth it. You will be surprised.

For what its worth, I have had them all at one time or another.

My off duty handguns included the following-

REVOLVERS- S&W- 13- 3", 10, 19, 36, 60, 64, 65, Ruger Speed Six, Colt Det. Spl.,

AUTO’s- S&W- 39, 59, 669 autos. Walther PPK, Astra Constable, FIE Pony, Colt Mustang, Colt Ofc. model, Colt Defender (3), Kimber CDP (?), Star PD, H&K .45 USP, SIG P220-(3 different models), P228, 229, 239, 250, Kahr PM9, Glock 19, 26, 27, 29 & 30, 36 (I really like the GEN4 G26 a lot!!!). But I found, in my opinion, after 30+ plus years that I really like the G39! Its compact, accurate, fairly light and shoots like hell. Try it! Like me, you may find- You Like it!

My Duty Guns-

Revolvers- Issued- S&W model’s 10, 28, 65, Ruger Police Service Six.
Auto’s- Issued- Glock 17 (gen.1 and 2), 19, 21, 22, 23, 27, 30, 37 and 38. A few short stints carrying a 92FS, P229, P220, Colt Combat Commander and Colt Government models. I have to say the Issue G38 and G37 with TruGlos TFO's are my all time favorites. They carry well and are very accurate! If asked- The G38 is my favorite duty carry. Numerous Officers on my PD carry the G38 on duty.

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Revolvers- S&W models 10-2”, 13 3&4”, 19, 24, 27, 28, 29, 36, 60, 64, 65-3&4”, 66, 67. Ruger- Speed Six, Police Service six and Security Six., Colt- Trooper, Python, Anaconda and Det. Special.

Auto’s- Glock - G17 (2- Gen 1 & 2), G19 (3), G20, G21 (4- Gen 2, 3 and SF), G22 (2- I despise this model, I had 3- Two duty pistols and 1 owned. We did not get along!!!), G23 (3- 2 issued and 1 owned- I like this pistol, will get a GEN4 someday), G26 (need a GEN4 soon), G27 (2), G29, G30 (2- one GEN3 and 1 SF), G35, G36, G37 (3-still waiting for GEN4- still have 2), G38 (3), G39 (2).
S&W- 39, 59, 539, 559, 639, 659. 669
Beretta- 92FS, 92FSC, 84.
Colt- Series 70 Governments, Combat Commanders (4), Lt. Wgt. Commanders (1), Gold Cup. Series 80- Government, Combat Commander (6), Defender (2), Pony (2) and Mustang (2).
Springfield Armory- XD45LE, XD45, Mil. Spec.
Sig Sauer- P220 (6-all different variants, German, Elite, Compact etc.), P226, P228 (4), P229 (2), P250, 2340 (2).
H&K- USP .45 compact and USP .40.
Kimber- CDP, TLE
Kahr- PM9 (2)
VARIOUS OTHERS- CZ75, Astra Constable .380, FIE Pony .380, Star PD .45, Walther PPKs and P38, Browning Hi-Power

Played with and Tested the S&W M&P auto's- Jury is still out- Not impressed.
Played with and Tested SA XD's- Jury still out- hard to get parts- Not impressed.
Played with and Tested SIG P250- NOT IMPRESSED! needs shorter reset!
Played with and Tested Beretta PX4's etc. Not real impressed!

Now, realize I have been carrying Glocks for a Lonnnggggg time. I am very familiar with them. My PD has had Glocks for a long time! In no way shape or form am I bashing the aforementioned models. They were just not for me or us. I really wanted to like the SIGS, M&P's and XD's ( I am getting used to my SA XD .45LE in .45 GAP- but it needs trigger work and a better finish- then after market parts). But Glocks ease of dis-assembly, reliability, accuracy, durability and availability of parts just makes sense for me, my PD, and LE.

Questions and comments are welcome. Flames will be extinguished!
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Old 01-27-2012, 23:31   #2
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<<< G37. Bought it when they first came out.

Been the nightstand pistol with a Surefire 200X ever since.
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Old 01-27-2012, 23:47   #3
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<<< G37. Bought it when they first came out.

Been the nightstand pistol with a Surefire 200X ever since.
FWIW- I am really CHIEF15 now!!!
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Old 01-28-2012, 09:03   #4
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I was a shooter on the selection board for my agency and vocally against the GAP from day one. I couldn't figure out why Glock couldn't upscale the 36 and get on with a true 2011, anyway I shot the 17, 22 and 37 side by side...alot, sat through a Speer/ATK ballistics demo and came away convinced that the GAP was a great LE/Defense round. I am issued a 37 for entry and UC/CI recovery and a G39 for day to day and am not a bit sorry. My personal G38 is so accurate I can hardly believe it and I am waiting (impatiently) for a Gen 4 G38.
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Old 01-28-2012, 10:47   #5
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SGT45, I mirror your experience. By the way I have been shooting handguns since I was 12, I am now 56. Just about everyone in this part of the country looks at me funny when I mention that I shoot the 45GAP even one friend says, Oh the half cartridge.. As far as Glock history I have outlined that in another part of this forum. I carry and shoot the GAP enough said.
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Old 01-28-2012, 10:59   #6
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Can't argue with 45acp in a 9mm frame.

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Old 01-28-2012, 15:56   #7
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SGT45,

I appreciate your comments. I enjoy my G38 (2nd I've owned), gave my G37 Gen4 to my son-in-law (keep it in the family) and am looking for at least a G39. You state in your first post "(I really like the GEN4 G26 a lot!!!)". Are you comparing that to earlier generations of the G26 and if so would what do you like better and how might that apply to the G39 Gen 3 vs 4?
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Old 01-28-2012, 16:22   #8
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The one Glock I regret trading off was the G39. I might pick up another one.
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Old 01-28-2012, 19:23   #9
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Chief,
Well said! As a new GAP convert, my G37 has quickly become my favorite Glock. The only downside that I have found is that I am having problems building up my stockpile of GAP ammo. It does obviously cost more than 9mm but I keep shooting up everything that I buy.
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Old 01-28-2012, 21:07   #10
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SGT45,

You state in your first post "(I really like the GEN4 G26 a lot!!!)". Are you comparing that to earlier generations of the G26 and if so would what do you like better and how might that apply to the G39 Gen 3 vs 4?
J,

Yes, I like the GEN4 G26 better than the earlier versions. Felt good in my hand and shot very well. I like the grips much better on all the GEN4's compared to earlier versions. I would love to see a GEN4 G39! But for now, I love my GEN3 G39.

******** Still waiting for a GEN4 G38 too!
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Old 01-28-2012, 21:14   #11
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The one Glock I regret trading off was the G39. I might pick up another one.
Yeah, I did that a couple of years ago. Boy, did I ever regret that. Took me months to find another! Never again!
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Old 01-29-2012, 13:11   #12
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I regularly see G39's for sale on Gun Broker.com. ** Originally GAP Skeptic - now own G37, G38, and G39. Favorite carry piece still remains; the G36 ,(But G39 after that) ** Cheers
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I expect the Gen4 G38 and possibly the Gen4 G39 to be shown at the NRA Show in April.

My 2003 G37 was great, but my new Gen4 G37 is even better.
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Old 01-29-2012, 14:55   #14
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Good post, SGT45!

GT Distributors was selling off some store demo units for great prices, and I had the hard decision of choosing between G31 Gen4 and G37 Gen4. Well, the G.A.P. followed me home, and now I'm patiently awaiting the G39 Gen4.

I check out the Gen3 version every now and then when I'm there, just to be reminded that it is the ideal size for a small .45. I have to ask--how does G39 handle compared to the G26 Gen4? I've got 26/27 in Gen4 and 30/33 in Gen3, so if you can compare the handling to any of those, I'll have a good idea of what the current version runs like.

I am holding my dollars now (for new Glocks, anyway...) until more of the models are released as Gen4. As many problems as several members have had with the new models, I haven't experienced anything close with the non-9mm versions.
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SGT45 brings a lot of experience to the table and that has to be taken into consideration for those who are researching. I have shot jst about every glock model there is and I agree, the GAPs are my favorite as well. I also love the 10mm but if I could choose only one, it would be of a GAP variety.
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Old 01-29-2012, 21:28   #16
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I expect the Gen4 G38 and possibly the Gen4 G39 to be shown at the NRA Show in April.

My 2003 G37 was great, but my new Gen4 G37 is even better.
Still Waiting! But can hardly wait!!!! How sweet!

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Old 01-30-2012, 15:27   #17
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The Glock 39 is my favorite EDC. The most reliable .45 caliber handgun I own.
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Thanks for the info. Been thinking about trying a GAP in the 38 or 39 variety.
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hawgrider, I will say since I have discovered the GAP I dont carry anything else. I have the 38 and 39, accuracy is great, far better than I can shoot. The size of the small frame Glocks fit me better than say the Glock 36. I am currently purchasing more ammo although I would not turn down a good deal on a Glock 37. The GAPs are great.
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I just had to jump in here too... I've got what I consider the best carry gun out there. Here it is: .45 Caliber, 8+1 capacity, nearly same exact size as a 1911 CCO and has a 4.5" barrel.

Give up?

It's a Glock 37 with the grip shortened to G38 size. It has the longer sight radius and longer barrel of the G37 and the compact grip of the G38 for ease of concealment. My wife shoots a G38 (her carry gun) so we can use the same size mags. For the nightstand I just plop in a 10 round mag and have 10+1 of .45 GAP Gold Dot at the ready.

This is Glock Nirvana as far as I'm concerned!

Okay sorry to interrupt. Carry on.
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