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Old 02-16-2012, 23:18   #21
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I would go with the G19. It is safer to handle(three passive safeties), lighter, the 9mm is very adequate for SD. The Glock is tougher. Less likely that anything should break or malfunction if you should drop it. I like the part of NOT having to hit the safety as you draw. It is a SD tool. The .45, use it to target shoot. The .45 has less ammo, heavier, have to hit the safety when drawn, more prone to damage if dropped. You are responsible for the rounds you fire in self defense. If you use it, chances are, they will take your gun for awhile. Take the .45 or 9mm? Both are good guns but I think the Glock 19 is better suited for the task of CCW. You are the one who ultimately has to use it and be held accountable for it. Just my opinion.
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Old 02-17-2012, 05:27   #22
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I sold my 1911's about 10 years ago and started carrying glocks.

G23 is my carry choice now. 40 gives you 45 terminal performance with higher capacity.

I picked another 1911 a while back as a range toy.

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Old 02-17-2012, 05:33   #23
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A lightweight commander 1911 is hard to beat for everyday carry, but so is the G19. It really comes down to what you prefer. For me that is a 1911.
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Old 02-17-2012, 05:51   #24
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Both LOL. I carry the 19 now its small enough to carry without hassle, lots of rounds, big enough to get a full grip. I carried my PARA LTC 4 1/4" barrel for the longest time without issues. I just perfer the glock because I shoot better with it and I can carry 40rds with 2 mag vs. 16rds with 2mags
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Old 02-17-2012, 06:01   #25
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I know, i know.....i dont want this to turn into a mess. I would like to get some serious opinions on why you carry one over the other. I really like both platforms, and i dont think one is better than the other as a weapon......i like certain things about both, and think they are both outstanding guns.

Without attacking the one you disagree with, why do you carry what you do?
I have a few of each, but I carry Glocks.

A 1911 trigger is easier to shoot/learn and the weight helps with recoil and it looks cool.

BUT a Glock is lighter, higher capacity, and malfunctions less often, unless you have a really bad grip. In addition, under stress, the Glock doesn't have a manual safety (yep, I've missed it occasionally on the draw just in IDPA matches) or a grip safety (don't get the right grip, gun may not fire, which is why competitors use flat backstraps). Also, a Glock points as naturally as my finger, where a 1911 with a flat backstrap points down and requires rocking my wrist back to a higher angle than I'd use for pointing/punshing - that means loss of recoil control and speed (and with an arched backstrap - see above, re: grip safety).

I chose the Glock.

Not sure why "caliber" is part of this discussion - Both Glocks and 1911's come in the same caliber choices. I just wish .40 S&W 1911's were easier to find. I'd probably go with a Browning Hi Power in .40 over a 1911 anyhow.
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Old 02-17-2012, 06:01   #26
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Both LOL. I carry the 19 now its small enough to carry without hassle, lots of rounds, big enough to get a full grip. I carried my PARA LTC 4 1/4" barrel for the longest time without issues. I just perfer the glock because I shoot better with it and I can carry 40rds with 2 mag vs. 16rds with 2mags
My G19 mags only hold 15 rounds. 15x2=30
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Old 02-17-2012, 06:11   #27
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I have both a bobtail Commander size 1911 and a G19, with Milt Sparks Versa Max2 holsters for each of them. The 1911 conceals better.
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Old 02-17-2012, 08:54   #28
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I used to have a Glock 30, come hell or high water I couldn't get used to the double action trigger. Nothing but a 1911 for me
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:34   #29
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When I got tired of my pants falling down, I switched from a 1911 to a Glock.

When I got tired of having to carry a holster, I switched from a Glock to a Airweight Chief.

Didn't look back.
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Old 02-17-2012, 11:02   #30
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I carried a Glock 27 for a while, but never really felt secure with, so I went back to my Colt 1911....I shoot the Colt a lot better...and I just have that sense of well being carrying the 1911....
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Old 02-17-2012, 11:45   #31
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youll probably never use it. Carry the one that is more comfortable.

Or get a glock 30sf and call it a day. If your pockets are deep, buy a 36 too and stick the slide on the 30.
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Old 02-17-2012, 11:45   #32
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Glock's square shaped slide rubs hard on my hip bone IWB and it becomes very uncomfortable to carry after a few hours. A nice Cabela's 1.75" belt does an excellent job of holding my pants up.

An adjustable leather Bianchi holster comfortably holds a Colt 1911 Government against my hip bone and I carry IWB from when I wake up until bed time.

The G19 can't match the split times of the 1911 or its accuracy on multiple targets. There's a reason why many HRT and SWAT personnel choose 1911s.
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Old 02-17-2012, 12:05   #33
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My issue is that most SD situations dont involve "shooting better". They are mostly close range point shooting that occurs VERY fast. The advantages of the nice trigger and accuracy are not that significant when you consider this.

I took a close combat pistol course, and it really opened my eyes. Multiple attackers can get rid of your 9 rounds REALLY fast, and none of them involved using the sights. This is where capacity comes into play.

The other problem is that the odds of using your weapon in a SD situation is insanely small, so this leans me back towards comfort>capacity/firepower
This is very true but for me the most important downfall of carrying a 1911 for sd is the thumb safety. Anyone whose taken a FOF training class with a 1911 or seen someone try, can tell you that manipulating the safety quickly in a serious close range situation is not easy. Once the adrenaline starts pumping even the most seasoned 1911 shooters forget or miss their thumb safeties. I just think its one more detail you don't want to worry about in a split second life or death situation.
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Old 02-17-2012, 12:20   #34
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Another 1911 vrs Glock thread!? When will it end lol IBTL
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Old 02-17-2012, 13:17   #35
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Ok, I'll bite . . .
When I first started, my friend had me convinced that a Colt .45 was THE only way to go. But I wanted a small, lightweight carry gun, not full size. Llamas and Stars to start - good ergonomics but not so good triggers and no enhancements. Then on to ParaOrds - better triggers and higher round count (P10's) but still wanted better ergonomics such as better thumb and grip safeties - better but expensive, heavier, and with shorter barrels, not always 100% functioning. Ended up with a Kimber compact steel frame - better all the way around but still not 100% perfect - a few FTE after some high count range time and still a little heavy. Living in Florida I found that I had to clean it constantly to keep the little parts and outside of the barrel from rusting when I carried it IWB. Nonetheless it was my Y2K and 9/11 go to gun. Then I got introduced to a used, beat up, police trade in, ugly G19. Put it through the paces - shot it without cleaning ALOT, did the "bury in the sand thing", swam in the ocean and only rinsed it off in fresh water, carried it constantly, shot it til my hand was sore. It worked. It was lighter, carried more rounds, was easier and faster to take apart for cleaning, worked when it wasn't clean, didn't rust when carried in less than optimum conditions, accurate enough for SD, didn't chafe me when carried "Mexican" (no slight here), had highly managable recoil, and now with all sorts of great SD ammo it is hardly considered low power. So I GOT RID OF IT! Why? To get a brand new one! Had that one for a year or so and traded for an XD9 Tactical. Great gun but I missed that dang G19. Bought my third one, put night sights on it and have never looked back. Don't get me wrong, I have had Colts (4), Springfields(3), Kimbers(5), Llamas, Paras(3), S&W's, Stars(2), Sigs(3) and some I may have even forgotten about. It's a nice platform but there can be some issues - the smaller they are, the less reliable they can be. They can be heavy or they will hold less ammo, they may be more suseptable to rust, etc. Everyone notices your fancy grips or your stainless steel or your fancy leather rig ( gotta have leather with a 1911!) but honestly I'm over it. The Glock is lighter, carries more ammo, won't rust as easily and just works.

By the way - my favorite .45 platform is the Sig 220 - I've had seven through the years and I keep coming back to them like the G19. Currently an older German 220 in Black T finish, a 220 Combat, and latest, a 220 Compact (G19 sized) for carry. The 220's are, without a doubt, the most accurate, most dependable, .45 autos FOR ME, even more so than any of my 1911's - IMHO YMMV etc. Next would be the XD45's.
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Old 02-17-2012, 13:38   #36
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I'd vote for the G19. Like others have said, less things to worry about in a high-stress situation (like backstrap and thumb safety), more reliability overall and better capacity.

OR, carry a G30 like me and get the best of both worlds!

I've had 1911s before. Had two Kimbers (one full-size and one commander). They shot great at the range when they weren't jamming.
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Old 02-17-2012, 14:14   #37
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I'd be hard pressed with that choice. My preference is for GLOCK, but the 19 size is my least favorite. Like someone already said, G30 FTW.
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Old 02-17-2012, 14:57   #38
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1911 pros/cons:
I shoot the 1911 better than any other pistol

G19 pros/cons:
Its cheap
The first part is what really matters most to me.

I'm not sure if cheap is a word I want used to describe anything I may use to defend my families or my life.



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Old 02-17-2012, 15:00   #39
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I'd carry a Glock 30 over a G19.
However, I prefer to carry my Colt Commander over the G30.
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Old 02-17-2012, 15:03   #40
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I know, i know.....i dont want this to turn into a mess. I would like to get some serious opinions on why you carry one over the other. I really like both platforms, and i dont think one is better than the other as a weapon......i like certain things about both, and think they are both outstanding guns.

Without attacking the one you disagree with, why do you carry what you do? I shoot both guns well, but im trying to decide on a single carry gun, so i dont switch back and forth all the time. Im starting to shoot competitively, and i am leaning towards a 1911 as my competition gun........i would like to carry what i shoot regularly. I like the feel of the 1911 and shoot it slightly better, but the glock, on paper, is the better carry gun IMO.

1911 pros/cons:
I shoot the 1911 better than any other pistol, and have all my guns setup exactly how i like them. The ergonomics are great, and i love the big .45 round. The gun is very slim, which is awesome to carry, but it is also heavy and has a poor capacity compared to the G19. At the range, id pick the 1911 all day long, but not sold on it as a carry gun yet. I am NOT worried about the 1911 as being unreliable.....i have quality guns and take care of them properly.

G19 pros/cons:
Its light, accurate, cheap, easy to replace parts, very reliable, striker fired, durable, decent trigger......a pretty damn good gun. The only negative i can find with the glock is that its a little thicker to carry.

Im starting to take some training courses (carbine, shotgun, and handgun), as well as uspsa, and i would like to use the same gun everywhere. How did you guys pick what you carry? I know this will probably be slightly biased towards the 1911, but i want to hear your opinion.
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